Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread T. J. Brumfield
Would it be useful if I made a list in the wiki of bugs with X number votes or more? Then someone more familiar with the go-oo features and the LibO codebase can perhaps check some off that list that are already implemented. The remaining list might provide a nice starting point for some LibO deve

[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-04 23:02, T. J. Brumfield a écrit : Would it be useful if I made a list in the wiki of bugs with X number votes or more? Then someone more familiar with the go-oo features and the LibO codebase can perhaps check some off that list that are already implemented. The remaining list might

[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread NoOp
On 11/02/2010 08:28 AM, T. J. Brumfield wrote: > There were several old, often commented on, and often requested bug fixes > and features that didn't receive much attention or weren't resolved with OOo > over the years. > > For those who may not be aware of the reasons for the shift/fork, or for >

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Robert Derman
Robert Derman wrote: Peter Rodwell wrote: Quoting T. J. Brumfield: However, in developing countries Android tablets may be the most accessible and affordable computing platform of the future. It shouldn't be ignored. Agreed -- it certainly shouldn't be ignored, I just think that giving it p

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Robert Derman
Peter Rodwell wrote: Quoting T. J. Brumfield: However, in developing countries Android tablets may be the most accessible and affordable computing platform of the future. It shouldn't be ignored. Agreed -- it certainly shouldn't be ignored, I just think that giving it priority over Windows i

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Ian
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 16:20 -0400, Steven Shelton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/4/2010 3:31 PM, e-letter wrote: > > In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. > > android) is more important than windoze. > > Really? Because I can't recall t

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Ian
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 21:34 +0100, Peter Rodwell wrote: > Quoting e-letter: > > > In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. > > android) is more important than windoze. > > > > That's certainly a novel approach: giving 90% of computer users lower > priority so that 1% of user

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Ian
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 22:06 +0100, Peter Rodwell wrote: > Quoting T. J. Brumfield: > > > In all fairness, Android tablets could become a large emerging market, but > > Windows is still by far the predominant market. > > But how many people will use them for heavy-duty word processing, How many p

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Robert Derman
e-letter wrote: In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. android) is more important than windoze. How quickly things change in the world of electronics. It wasn't that long ago, that phones were one thing, and computers quite another. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Ema

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting T. J. Brumfield: However, in developing countries Android tablets may be the most accessible and affordable computing platform of the future. It shouldn't be ignored. Agreed -- it certainly shouldn't be ignored, I just think that giving it priority over Windows is ridiculous, is all.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread T. J. Brumfield
I'm agreeing with you that Windows is the dominant market and should be treated as such. However, in developing countries Android tablets may be the most accessible and affordable computing platform of the future. It shouldn't be ignored. I'd contend the priority should be on the primary platform

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting T. J. Brumfield: In all fairness, Android tablets could become a large emerging market, but Windows is still by far the predominant market. But how many people will use them for heavy-duty word processing, spreadsheeting and presenting? LO/OO is a heavy-duty package for heavy-duty work

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread T. J. Brumfield
In all fairness, Android tablets could become a large emerging market, but Windows is still by far the predominant market. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Peter Rodwell wrote: > Quoting e-letter: > > In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. >> android) is more important tha

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts

2010-11-04 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, e-letter wrote on 2010-11-04 20.23: Not sure what you mean by attached; in web-mail the messages when received are inline (in the body of the message). The number before each message is irrelevant; as I stated, all messages do not appear in the 'reply' text box. I don't know about webmail

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting e-letter: In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. android) is more important than windoze. That's certainly a novel approach: giving 90% of computer users lower priority so that 1% of users can prepare presentations on their cell phones. Bound to be a wild succe

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Shelton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/2010 3:31 PM, e-letter wrote: > In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. > android) is more important than windoze. Really? Because I can't recall the last time I drafted a legal brief on my cell phone. - -- Steven Shel

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Craig A. Eddy
Robert, I'm sorry, but I must disagree with you.I'm not a developer, I'm a user.I will admit that I started with Microsoft Word (More years ago than I'm comfortable admitting), but switched to OO.o as soon as it came out.It's only just recently that I've begun to understand how to use (and create)

RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Brenden Seibel
Here I agree with Robert. The average user I've worked with will be much quicker to use the font chooser and size selector than any style selector. -Original Message- From: Robert Derman [mailto:robert.der...@pressenter.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:19 PM To: discuss@documen

[tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread e-letter
In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. android) is more important than windoze. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discus

[tdf-discuss] Re: unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts

2010-11-04 Thread e-letter
Not sure what you mean by attached; in web-mail the messages when received are inline (in the body of the message). The number before each message is irrelevant; as I stated, all messages do not appear in the 'reply' text box. For comparison in digest mode behaviour, see http://lists.techwr-l.com

Re: [tdf-discuss] Missing function

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Shelton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/2010 2:39 PM, Robert Derman wrote: > It is used primarily in academic situations as a means of testing > formatting options where you don't want students to be distracted by the > contents of the text. Since the text is in Latin, a language

Re: [tdf-discuss] Missing function

2010-11-04 Thread Robert Derman
Peter Rodwell wrote: Quoting RGB ES: A lorem ipsum generator? (that's what google gave me about "=Lorem(12) word") Try dt and then press F3, or use this extension: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/Magenta_Lorem_ipsum_generator I was being flippant, of course. It's a feat

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Robert Derman
Sebastian Spaeth wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:55:19 +0100, Johannes Bausch wrote: things concerning tables. We absolutely HAVE to make the user use the stylesheet stuff, and it must be so easy that they start to use it on one-paged documents. Removing the font chooser, and font-size se

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-11-04 12:30, Jim White a écrit : Quoting Michel Gagnon: Finally, if we need to train people to the proper use of word-processing software, I would suggest that emphasis be given, in order to the following "nasty" habits: - proper use of spaces and punctuation (hyphen vs n-dash vs m-da

[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-04 03:26, Marc Paré a écrit : Hi everyone: I have submitted it as a feature request. You can add to this if you want. The more we chatter about this the more they will look into it. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31386 Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Ema

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Jim White: I think you missed Michel's point. The examples he gave of "proper use" are those formatting features that will make re-formatting easier. If we encourage such "proper use" through the design of the UI, as well as through education, many will be happier with the product. -JimW

RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Jim White
Quoting Michel Gagnon: > Finally, if we need to train people to the proper use of word-processing software, I would suggest that emphasis be > given, in order to the following "nasty" habits: > - proper use of spaces and punctuation (hyphen vs n-dash vs m-dash); > - proper use of indents and tabul

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread RGB ES
2010/11/4 Michel Gagnon : > - Take this text and assume I want to emphasize one word. I could simply do > Ctl-I and get the text in Italics or define a character style and apply it. > The character style may be warranted, but it's a multi-step process, and > quite frankly, if I decide further down

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Michel Gagnon: Finally, if we need to train people to the proper use of word-processing software, I would suggest that emphasis be given, in order to the following "nasty" habits: – proper use of spaces and punctuation (hyphen vs n-dash vs m-dash); – proper use of indents and tabulation

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-11-04 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 04/11/10 16.35, Gianluca Turconi wrote: However, we're disputing about the meaning of words and I don't find any value in this, because if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck, whatever name you initially used to call it. The community cannot issue formal certifications

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-11-04 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 04/11/2010 13.37, Italo Vignoli ha scritto: There is much more in the legal entity than copyright assignment, and at the moment - in my very personal and humble opinion - we miss the rest more than the CA. Some decisions cannot be changed along the way. Many times, once a decision is taken,

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-11-04 04:34, Sebastian Spaeth a écrit : On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:55:19 +0100, Johannes Bausch wrote: things concerning tables. We absolutely HAVE to make the user use the stylesheet stuff, and it must be so easy that they start to use it on one-paged documents. Removing the font chooser, a

Re: [tdf-discuss] x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread T. J. Brumfield
I do understand it isn't simply just a matter of compiling a 64-bit build. Knowing that it is on the TODO list is good enough for me! Thanks! On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Andras Timar wrote: > 2010/11/4 Frank Esposito : > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, T. J. Brumfield >wrote: > > > >> Th

Re: [tdf-discuss] x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Frank Esposito
Yes I am aware of some of the difficulties but I think this could be a nice feature as OOo will most likely not be offering 64-bit Windows builds. And since MSO 2010 is now available in 64bit Just another feature to differentiate LO form OO (IMHO) -fe On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Andra

Re: [tdf-discuss] x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Andras Timar
2010/11/4 Frank Esposito : > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, T. J. Brumfield wrote: > >> There is an open OOo bug that is over 5 years old. >> >> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=46594 >> >> It seems that OOo developers felt this was an unnecessary feature. However, >> as users have

Re: [tdf-discuss] x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Frank Esposito
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, T. J. Brumfield wrote: > There is an open OOo bug that is over 5 years old. > > http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=46594 > > It seems that OOo developers felt this was an unnecessary feature. However, > as users have commented in that bug report, the 32

[tdf-discuss] x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread T. J. Brumfield
There is an open OOo bug that is over 5 years old. http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=46594 It seems that OOo developers felt this was an unnecessary feature. However, as users have commented in that bug report, the 32-bit version doesn't work in 64-bit Terminal Servers, and Microsof

Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-11-04 00:16, Graham Lauder a écrit : Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can just figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F instead of opening the standard Find& Replace... P. Sure, Tools> customize. select keyboard tab. In Shortcut keys pane sel

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:32:54 +0100, Peter Rodwell wrote: > Then the Web site needs updating. It still says: "Be advised that the > current beta might replace your OpenOffice.org installation." Not anymore, thanks for the heads up. Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@do

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Shelton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/2010 8:25 AM, Peter Rodwell wrote: > I've noticed a slight delay (< 1 second) the first time it's called; after > that it pops up instantly. This with Win 7 Ultimate on my 4-core Dell > workhorse. It's significantly longer--several seconds--on

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:11:02 +0100, RGB ES wrote: > As far as I can see, it is all on OOo macro language: if you install > the extension and look at Tools -> Macro -> Organize macros -> > LibreOffice basic you will find all about it. DOH, I should have found that out myself. That is phantastic. +1

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread RGB ES
As far as I can see, it is all on OOo macro language: if you install the extension and look at Tools -> Macro -> Organize macros -> LibreOffice basic you will find all about it. 2010/11/4 Sebastian Spaeth : > On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:01:47 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: >> +10 - Find/Replace was a fru

Re: [tdf-discuss] Missing function

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting RGB ES: A lorem ipsum generator? (that's what google gave me about "=Lorem(12) word") Try dt and then press F3, or use this extension: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/Magenta_Lorem_ipsum_generator I was being flippant, of course. It's a feature for which I have abso

Re: [tdf-discuss] Missing function

2010-11-04 Thread RGB ES
A lorem ipsum generator? (that's what google gave me about "=Lorem(12) word") Try dt and then press F3, or use this extension: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/Magenta_Lorem_ipsum_generator 2010/11/4 Peter Rodwell : > I notice that the all-important Lorem function is missing >

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:01:47 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: > +10 - Find/Replace was a frustrating exercise for me until I found this > extension many months ago. It absolutely should *replace* the current > implementation. 1) Could someone please identify the source? It seems LGPG license but when

[tdf-discuss] Missing function

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
I notice that the all-important Lorem function is missing from both OO and Beta2. In Word 2007 or 2010, type: =Lorem(12) and hit return, to see how this works. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2q

Re: [tdf-discuss] unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts

2010-11-04 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:39 PM, e-letter wrote: > On 04/11/2010, > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > > > wrote: > > Topics (messages 2591 through 2620): > ... > > [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented > > 2620 - Sebastian Spaeth > > > > > > > The text above i

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-11-04 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 04/11/10 11.26, Gianluca Turconi wrote: It would be enough a code repository and a technical committee composed by most important/best respected contributors. A software project of the size of a productivity suite is not just about software, but is about maintaining relationships with diff

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Steven Shelton: I'm reluctant to download the beta since the Web site says it will overwrite my existing Oo and I don't have an available spare machine at the moment. I'll see if I can free up one and try it. I am not sure if this is still the case. Maybe someone else can comment on th

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Steven Shelton: This is also a pretty much standard extension for all of my installs, but, to be honest, I don't know if average users would like it or hate it. For one, it seems to take forever to come up with you call for it with a hot key. I've noticed a slight delay (< 1 second) t

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:14:50 -0400, Steven Shelton wrote: > However, LibO crashes constantly on my Windows XP box. I tried to use > it for a bit to test it, and the crashes were so frequent it was > entirely unusable. Frames with captions by any chance? In that case you will like beta3. Sebastian

Re: [tdf-discuss] unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts

2010-11-04 Thread Florian Effenberger
The number stands in front of the subject that is sent in the digest. Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-11-04 13.07: How would you know which one it was? -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Shelton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/2/2010 2:28 PM, Marc Paré wrote: >> I'm reluctant to download the beta since the Web site says it >> will overwrite my existing Oo and I don't have an available >> spare machine at the moment. I'll see if I can free up one and >> try it. > > I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Steven Shelton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/2010 3:26 AM, Marc Paré wrote: > So, for everyone, do you think that we could submit this as a > feature request and if it were adopted, would it have a negative > impact on the new or casual user's use of the search function? This is also a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Marc Paré: So, for everyone, do you think that we could submit this as a feature request and if it were adopted, would it have a negative impact on the new or casual user's use of the search function? I think it certainly should be a permanent feature. I don't think new or casual use

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Java dependency

2010-11-04 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-11-04 1:06 AM, JustFillBug wrote: > Then start porting all the java extensions to python extensions before > talking about removing java dependency. Even if the task half complete, > some features can still be benefit by not loading the JVM. ?? I think you misunderstand... What is being d

Re: [tdf-discuss] unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts

2010-11-04 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-11-04 7:25 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > what shall I change? If you have the digest subscription, you can > directly open the e-mails (they are attached) and reply to them. Tested > it out myself. How would you know which one it was? -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instru

Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting TomW: To use Ctrl F as the shortcut for 'Alternate dialog Find & Replace for Writer', do the following: Open 'Alternate dialog Find & Replace for Writer' Click on 'Batch >>', the Batch Manager Click on 'Key Shortcuts' In the top dropdown box, select 'Altsearch - dialog'. At the bottom o

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-11-03 5:33 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2010-11-03 17:11, Peter Rodwell a écrit : >> Quoting Graham Lauder: >>> There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install on any >>> OOo instance l use and it does what you ask here. >>> >>> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/sear

Re: [tdf-discuss] unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts

2010-11-04 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, e-letter wrote on 2010-11-04 11.39: The text above is the entire verbatim content of the mail message text box when the 'reply' function is activated. Please change the mailing list manager. what shall I change? If you have the digest subscription, you can directly open the e-mails (they

[tdf-discuss] unable to reply quickly to mailing list posts

2010-11-04 Thread e-letter
On 04/11/2010, discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org wrote: > Topics (messages 2591 through 2620): > > [tdf-discuss] java / phone strategy .. > 2591 - Michael Meeks > > [tdf-discuss] Re: Java dependency > 2592 - Kohei Yoshida > 2617 - JustFillBug > > [tdf-discuss] java / phone s

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-11-04 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 03/11/2010 16.00, Roberto Resoli ha scritto: If the rational conclusion of these arguments is that the Linux Kernel, > Mozilla, SAMBA, GNOME, KDE, and by extension -all- Linux distributions > are fundamentally unsafe to ship - then we have a huge and un-fixable > problem; but one th

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:55:19 +0100, Johannes Bausch wrote: > things concerning tables. We absolutely HAVE to make the user use the > stylesheet stuff, and it must be so easy that they start to use it on > one-paged documents. Removing the font chooser, and font-size selector would save lots of spac

[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-03 21:20, TomW a écrit : On 2010-11-03 17:11, Peter Rodwell wrote: Quoting Graham Lauder: There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install on any OOo instance l use and it does what you ask here. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch T

[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-03 17:28, Michel Gagnon a écrit : Thanks Michel: It would be great if we improved the user interface in such a way that people would use styles and space before paragraphs rather than empty paragraphs, Disclaimer: I am not too knowledgeable of the creation/use of styles. Just a co