RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-16 Thread Allen Pulsifer
> Allen Pulsifer wrote: > As an experienced person in the open source world, I would think you know by now that > it is a lot easier to influence a project when have a seat at the table and are working from > the inside rather of the outside. You could have also been one of those pe

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-16 Thread Allen Pulsifer
> Allen Pulsifer wrote: > I do not agree with your conclusion that the Apache OpenOffice project > is a competing project.  You simply chose to view it that way. > Simon Phipps wrote: > The main proposer of the project, Rob Weir of IBM, clearly stated his intent for it to b

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-16 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Allen Pulsifer wrote: > If most or almost all of the LO contributors joined the Apache > OpenOffice project, if only to lend moral support and help heal the > rift, that would only be good for LO and the TdF. > Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Allen, how can you, with a straight face,

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-15 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Davide Dozza wrote: > Sorry Allen but you are in contradiction. Before you say "Regardless of who's fault" and at the end > it seems you are accusing TDF to be the cause of the community fracture. I made no accusations and assigned no fault. I'm also not interested in assigning fault or blame. T

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-15 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Thorsten Behrens wrote: > ...you don't discuss e.g. trademark issues on a public list, if you want to stand a chance actually obtaining it. I can see how you might believe this, but I'm not sure it is grounded in fact or experience. In fact, look at where we ended up: - Oracle pulled all resourc

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-14 Thread Allen Pulsifer
> Forking makes cooperation more expensive. > Your intentions are less important than your consequences. Hello Keith, As long as you are hung up on forks, you might want to get your facts right. Sun created the "official" OOo distribution when they open sourced StarOffice. Sun maintained control

RE: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Allen Pulsifer
> Is it possible to allow Oracle to donate to Apache and then for TDF to go to Apache and say "Please let us have that?" Hello Zaphod, There are two pieces to Oracle's donation: 1. Oracle has granted the Apache Software Foundation a license to distribute the OpenOffice code under the Apache Lice

[tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Hello All, I'm going to try to address as many of the concerns raised as I can in one email. I'm not suggesting that anyone go work for IBM. In fact, I'm suggesting just the opposite; I'm suggesting that we all work together to get IBM working for us. Here's the deal. IBM is the main proponent

[tdf-discuss] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-03 Thread Allen Pulsifer
Greetings All, Some of you will remember me as a long time member of the OpenOffice.org community. In fact, back in the day, it was sometimes just myself and Michael Meeks who were openly complaining on the OOo mailing list about Sun's handling of the "community" :-) I'm writing today about what