Re: Embedding Goodies in the ODF Package (was RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard ... )

2011-06-28 Thread aqualung
Thank you to Messrs. Hamilton and Phipps for their exposition of the challenges of embedding fonts in ODF files, haven't seen it explained that clearly before. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Embedding-Goodies-in-the-ODF-Package-was-RE-tdf-discuss-Re-ANN-ODF-

[tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread aqualung
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > > 3. There are other ways to make fonts available in the meantime, although > not so straightforward as embedded fonts, they also don't make the > document bigger. > > A similar discussion took place in March and I http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RE-tdf-dis

[tdf-discuss] Re: Adabas database usage

2011-06-14 Thread aqualung
Francois Tigeot wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:54:46AM +0200, Francois Tigeot wrote: > >> > You would probably get more input if you posted your question on one of >> > the OpenOffice.org forums, in the Base section. >> >> Thanks for the tip, I'll have a look there. > > I tried to creat

[tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-17 Thread aqualung
Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: > > > > What did You *act* to get it there? > > > Friedrich, see my earlier postings (with references / links to earlier commentary). Anyway, I'm glad that people are responding. I guess it proves the adage, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" Tell you what, gi

[tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-17 Thread aqualung
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > But there are existing LibreOffice and OpenOffice forums. I still don't > get > the point. Why aren't the users of LibreOffice being told about them? www.libreoffice.org/get-help/ is the Help page. Let's see what it says: For user support, we have: > > * Maili

[tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-17 Thread aqualung
See, I learned about this "forum" (it isn't really a forum, it's something concocted out of mailing lists to sort of resemble a real forum) by accident one month ago, from a http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/03/17/flattr-us/ blog comment by Florian Effenberger . My suggestion to advertise th

[tdf-discuss] Re: How are Libre Office bugs classified and fixed?

2011-04-13 Thread aqualung
Would be interesting if there were a metric that tells Total number of bugs Aged bugs (<= 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 5 years) By priority By status By votes By difficulty to fix A chart showing proportion of fixed bugs to total bugs at selected points in time etc. -- View this message in contex

[tdf-discuss] Re: European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-09 Thread aqualung
toki wrote: > > > Or do you seriously think that somebody should put up with a mean time > of 100 seconds to BSOD, in addition to its other known points of > failure, instead of using tools that work as advertised, and is > compatible with tools on other platforms? > > jonathon > Obviously, yo

[tdf-discuss] Re: what comes first, ODF or OOo/LibO, was: : European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-07 Thread aqualung
M. Fioretti wrote: > > > Ooo/LibO are a means to use OpenDocument, not the reverse (1). And > those who should sue are citizens and governments, not the open source > community. > > > (1) see "OpenDocument first. Always" at > http://stop.zona-m.net/2010/11/three-things-to-not-forget-to-make-l

[tdf-discuss] Re: European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-07 Thread aqualung
A follow up-thought: As I google my way through history catching up on developments, I come across http://news.cnet.com/OpenDocument-goes-to-vote-in-Texas,-Minnesota/2100-7344_3-6157245.html this page reporting on ODF file format being made mandatory (to the exclusion of proprietary Microsoft for

[tdf-discuss] Re: European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-07 Thread aqualung
Mark Preston wrote: > > There may be some truth to what you say, but I don't think Microsoft > bashing will advance LibO, which is what we want to do. > Mark, you confirm my suspicions: open-source folks don't really want Microsoft to stop their outrageous proprietary file-format lock-in, becaus

[tdf-discuss] Re: European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-06 Thread aqualung
toki wrote: > > I guess it is a feature that when I used MSO 2010 with Win7, the mean > time till seeing the BSOD was under 100 seconds. I guess it is a feature > that with MSO97 on Win2K mean time to BSOD was just on 60 minutes. > That's odd. Don't have MSO 2010, but with MSO 2007 under Windows

[tdf-discuss] Re: European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-06 Thread aqualung
Mark Preston wrote: > > That really is not something we can do much about without hiring > Microsoft to make sure they are fixed - and that simply will not > happen, even if we wanted it to. > Okay... while waiting for my two comments from earlier today to be approved by the mailing list, I thou

[tdf-discuss] Re: European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-06 Thread aqualung
Ian Lynch wrote: > > On 6 April 2011 04:41, aqualung <xfekdcugj...@mailinator.com> wrote: > >> Well, how many full-time developers, working 40-hour workweeks, does >> Microsoft Office have... and how many OOo and LibO? >> >> If the answer for MO is, say,

[tdf-discuss] Re: European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread aqualung
Well, how many full-time developers, working 40-hour workweeks, does Microsoft Office have... and how many OOo and LibO? If the answer for MO is, say, 300... and the full-time equivalent for OOo / LibO is 50... then it's pretty much a given that MO will always have a bigger feature set and be more

[tdf-discuss] Re: Two questions about course of LO

2011-03-31 Thread aqualung
Mark Preston wrote: > > But to be honest, the code was such a tangled and complex > mess that I would have needed months of work just going through code > before I even tried to change a single command. > > I am slightly concerned that, even now, there is a damn good chance > the code for LibreO

[tdf-discuss] Re: Two questions about course of LO

2011-03-31 Thread aqualung
Thank you, that gives a clearer picture. Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > It is not accurate in the sense that in order to contribute to OpenOffice > developers should assign their copyright to Oracle, while there's no such > thing for LibreOffice. Since The Document Foundation has not submitted its

[tdf-discuss] Two questions about course of LO

2011-03-30 Thread aqualung
Got a couple of questions. (1) I heard that OpenOffice is restricted from re-using code from LibreOffice because Oracle insists on broader licenses than LO developers are willing to give, but the reverse is not true. So, from this aspect LO can only get stronger while OOo stagnates. Is this accura

[tdf-discuss] Re: Get and appove: recommended Soundfile pronouncing "LibreOffice"

2011-03-30 Thread aqualung
If all that recently collected donation money is burning a hole in your pocket, you could have maybe half a dozen professionally produced Flash videos, each one showing a good-looking, smiling LO user from every continent, saying "Welcome to LibreOffice!" in their language and with their preferred

[tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-29 Thread aqualung
Obviously, all francophone users will pronounce LibreOffice one way... according to the pronunciation conventions of their language. The rest of the world, unless they have been exposed to French by learning it as a second language, will have no idea. Before a recommended pronunciation is posted

[tdf-discuss] Re: Support for Office 2003 file formats (WordML, SpreadsheetML

2011-03-28 Thread aqualung
Jaime R. Garza wrote: > > In my opinion Must, Should, Could, Completely Irrelevant: > > - *Must*: RTF > - *Must*: MS Office 97/2000/XP Binary > - *Completely Irrelevant*: MS Office 2003 XML > - *Should*: OOXML ECMA-376 / ISO/IEC 29500 Transitional > - *Must*: OOXML ISO/IEC 29500 Strict > > Che

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-23 Thread aqualung
P.P.S.: And of course, even when both the sender and the recipient have the same font installed on their system, there still is no iron-clad guarantee that both will see the exact same thing on their computer screen, due to the variety of display schemes (ClearType sub-pixel rendering etc.) in circ

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-23 Thread aqualung
A postscript: "Free" does not necessarily mean lower quality. Some beautiful free fonts that I have on my system include - Yanone Kaffeesatz - Lavoisier - Ubuntu - and of course the terrific Linux Libertine G and Linux Biolinum G There are free fonts for all sorts of special needs, for example th

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-22 Thread aqualung
Italo Vignoli wrote: > > I was working as a consultant for Adobe at that time, and I have been > the PDF spokeperson for Europe for several years. > > It is true that many years have gone by, but fonts are handled by > operating systems in the same way. If they are not installed in their > sp

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-22 Thread aqualung
I had understood Mirek's proposal to mean that there would be one "official" online font repository, or perhaps several. Embedding a non-embeddable font in a document file is simply not possible, according to what I've read so far. Installing an installable font embedded in a file as a system fon

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread aqualung
O.K., so is everyone now in agreement that there is no legal problem embedding a font that explicitly licenses itself to be embedded? I am new here and am a bit mystified at the way discussion seems to move, with inapposite answers to comments and then the point gets lost along the way. This htt

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread aqualung
Right, that's valuable information. However, it had nothing to do with my first comment in the thread. You have a nice day too! Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: > > Charles meant that embedded fonts is not really a problem for the > software but must be first adressed by the OpenDocument format which

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-20 Thread aqualung
Thank you, that is very clear. I am still not understanding Charles' comment. Steve Edmonds wrote: > > Hi. sorry, this is probably my imprecise english. By suite I meant the > LO suite (group) of products, were font embedding in files to be > extended to more than writer. Otherwise, if font e

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-20 Thread aqualung
Thank you for your reply but I do not understand. The OP was making a feature request for font embedding to be added to LibreOffice. I commented on the licensing aspect. Now you note something about a "suite" -- do you mean "suite" as in "office suite"? Microsoft's Office suite has this ability.

[tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-20 Thread aqualung
Jason Corfman-2 wrote: > > But embedding a font into a document > for editing purposes quickly slides into a legally gray area at best. > Isn't it the font that determines what you can do with it? Fonts that allow embedding are either "editable" or "installable". Surely there is no legal issue