Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: So back to the constructive point: what are the best, most uniting proposals we can come up with for ASF and LibreOffice to co-operate? I've outlined two here:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 6/5/11 6:14 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: It is, agreed. Maybe I am just somewhat of an optimist that I believe even pure idealogical stakeholders can find common ground and that nothing is inevitable. Hi Jim, I have posted a message on the general@incubator mailing list, but I haven't seen it

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Ian Lynch
On 5 June 2011 17:15, Sam Ruby ru...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: So back to the constructive point: what are the best, most uniting proposals we can come up with for ASF and LibreOffice to co-operate? I've outlined two here:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread todd rme
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 June 2011 14:10, todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think you mean the same thing when you say symmetric as the people here mean.  As far as I can see, you are talking about the ability to use the code being

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread todd rme
sorry, please disregard this. I got the subject messed up somehow On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:01 PM, todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 June 2011 14:10, todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think you mean the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 5, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: I'm first and foremost an end user, so I'm not concerned about the license as far this doesn't allow corporations like IBM to keep their predatory attitude vs end users. So, my stance for copyleft is very practical: proprietary software

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Wolf Halton
I have been involved with OpenOffice.org since 1.1 or so, before .odf. I am glad that Apache Foundation will have control of the code. For me personally, the ownership of the code never caused a problem. I had good experiences with all the Sun employees with whom I got to interact when we moved

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Mike Dupont
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: * I find it extremely arrogant and insulting for a project that hasn't even built anything yet to self-proclaim itself as 'upstream'. What project is that please? I am confused. thanks mike -- Unsubscribe

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Eduardo Alexandre
Hi! If I understand correctly: What is developed by the Apache license can be used at LibreOffice but what is done by LibreOffice can not be used by OpenOffice as OpenOffice would move to offer the principles of under the GPL. Thus, the suggestion would be to join efforts to OpenOffice under the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Michael Münch
Hi, Am Samstag, den 04.06.2011, 01:30 -0600 schrieb Tor Lillqvist: So here is my suggestion: I propose the everyone here head over to the Apache Incubator and join the proposal as an initial member. Well, at least for me the problem is: I *work* on LibreOffice. although I am not a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Michael Münch ha scritto: So for me to join the proposal feels like becoming one of the worst paid IBM employees. BTW, there would be some concerns about what kind of community will be the new Apache OpenOffice one too. At least, I have them. A development community, as I suppose, or a end

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Laurence Jeloudev
Make a new license agreement for openoffice? With other contributing companies. Laurence On 05/06/2011, at 8:41, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Allen, *, On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Allen Pulsifer pulsi...@openoffice.org wrote: [...] I don't know

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Man, how I love fullquotes :-/ On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Laurence Jeloudev ljelou...@gmail.com wrote: Make a new license agreement for openoffice? With other contributing companies. Sorry, but what is your point? my point was that it is in my opionon a stupid idea for LO people to sign

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 4, 2011, at 7:35 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Man, how I love fullquotes :-/ On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Laurence Jeloudev ljelou...@gmail.com wrote: Make a new license agreement for openoffice? With other contributing companies. Sorry, but what is your point? my point was

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Laurence Jeloudev
So oracle won't make new licensing agreements with any one else except apache which could see no contribution to the project unless your part of ASF. Laurence On 05/06/2011, at 10:11, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Jun 4, 2011, at 7:35 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Man, how I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Jim Jagielski
The ASF accepts contributions from anyone. You don't have to be part of the ASF to contribute. The ASF is a meritocracy, and so the more you do, the more you *can* do, and providing bug fixes, patches, documentation, translations are all welcome and needed contributions (as with all FOSS

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 01:35:46AM +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Only Oracle could add another license to the mix, but if everyone subscribes to the apache-proposal, and thus shows their support for the apache

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