Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-27 Thread MiguelAngel
+1 Less words, more work. El 27/06/11 7:07, Keith Curtis escribió: > In order to succeed, a mass movement must develop at the earliest > moment a compact corporate organization and a capacity to integrate > all comers. > > —Eric Hoffer, American philosopher > > This discussion is interesting but i

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-27 Thread Jesper Lund Stocholm
Hi Davide, 2011/6/27 Davide Dozza : > > I've been working on OOo migrations since 2003. Especially for PA. I > think I'm not detached from the real world ;-) :o) > One thing it's what people wish, another what the law requires and yet > another is what technology offers. > > For a PA when a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-27 Thread Davide Dozza
Hi Jesper, Il 27/06/2011 10:49, Jesper Lund Stocholm ha scritto: > Hi Davide, > > 2011/6/27 Davide Dozza : >> Il 26/06/2011 23:21, plino ha scritto: >> [...] >> >>> >>> Charles-H. Schulz wrote: If you want absolute layout fidelity use PDF. That's the reason it's been designed, not ODF.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-27 Thread Jesper Lund Stocholm
Hi Davide, 2011/6/27 Davide Dozza : > Il 26/06/2011 23:21, plino ha scritto: > [...] > >> >> Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >>> If you want absolute layout fidelity use PDF. That's the reason it's >>> been designed, not ODF. >> >> PDF is used for keeping printing fidelity. It's not an editable format. >

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-27 Thread Davide Dozza
Il 26/06/2011 23:21, plino ha scritto: [...] > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >> If you want absolute layout fidelity use PDF. That's the reason it's >> been designed, not ODF. > > PDF is used for keeping printing fidelity. It's not an editable format. OOo, LibO, Symphony, Word, Abiword, Koffice an

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-27 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Pedro, Le Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:21:25 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > > But let me ask it > > again: why should it not be the right file format for LibreOffice? > > Fonts embedding cannot be the only one feature that will help us > > break the dominant vend

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-27 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Pedro and Charles et al Le 2011-06-26 17:21, plino a écrit : Charles-H. Schulz wrote: But let me ask it again: why should it not be the right file format for LibreOffice? Fonts embedding cannot be the only one feature that will help us break the dominant vendor's monopoly, can it? Because

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-26 Thread Keith Curtis
In order to succeed, a mass movement must develop at the earliest moment a compact corporate organization and a capacity to integrate all comers. —Eric Hoffer, American philosopher This discussion is interesting but it reminds me of people re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Or, perhaps a be

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-26 Thread Keith Curtis
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote: > > The better solution is to include the fonts required in the odt file > just for LO use (like MS, and 2 previously mentioned word processors). > That is another solution, but not necessarily a better solution. I think a better solution is t

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-26 Thread Steve Edmonds
Hi. On 2011-06-27 14:17, Robert Derman wrote: > Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >> Le Sun, 26 Jun 2011 09:41:07 -0700 (PDT), >> plino a écrit : >> >> >>> Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >>> Now, as for humility, claiming in an assured and definitive way that ODF will lose if it does not em

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-26 Thread Robert Derman
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Sun, 26 Jun 2011 09:41:07 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Now, as for humility, claiming in an assured and definitive way that ODF will lose if it does not embed fonts is not exactly humble either. I didn't say that. I said tha

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-26 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Sun, 26 Jun 2011 09:41:07 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > > Now, as for humility, claiming in an assured and definitive way > > that ODF will lose if it > > does not embed fonts is not exactly humble either. > > I didn't say that. I said that IF OASIS insists

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-26 Thread plino
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > Now, as for humility, claiming in an assured and definitive way that ODF > will lose if it > does not embed fonts is not exactly humble either. I didn't say that. I said that IF OASIS insists on refusing to embed fonts in ODF (which is what you also peremptorily affi

RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-26 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Okay, since you're in fingepointing mode, it is indeed my mistake to think that fonts could not be embedded in MSO formats. I do maintain that very few people know about this, and that by rule they're not included. Now, as for humility, claiming in an assured and definitive way that ODF will lose i

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-26 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Sun, 26 Jun 2011 00:30:07 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > > So are you saying your word documents embed fonts on a daily basis? > > I've never seen any similar documents. You get the impression of > > that -maybe- because on a windows to windows environment ev

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-25 11:36, aqualung a écrit : Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: 3. There are other ways to make fonts available in the meantime, although not so straightforward as embedded fonts, they also don't make the document bigger. A similar discussion took place in March and I http://nabble.docum

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 ...)

2011-06-25 Thread Steve Edmonds
. > > - Dennis > > > -Original Message- > From: charles.h.sch...@gmail.com [mailto:charles.h.sch...@gmail.com] On > Behalf Of Charles-H. Schulz > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:33 > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embe

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 ...)

2011-06-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review) Le Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:01:26 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > > No it doesn't. &g

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 although it is about fidelity too, especially in things like presentations. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:27 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 06/25/2011 01:14 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Dennis Le 2011-06-25 12:40, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : PS: Since August 2008, when I became a member of the ODF TC, I don't recall any conclusion that font embedding is out of scope for the OpenDocument Format. I don't know what such an assertio

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Dennis Le 2011-06-25 12:40, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : The reason for the periodic Committee Drafts is to have reasonably-stable feature specifications that implementers can start on and confirm the specification of before we do the work to produce the final stable specification (a Commi

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The reason for the periodic Committee Drafts is to have reasonably-stable feature specifications that implementers can start on and confirm the specification of before we do the work to produce the final stable specification (a Committee Specification) that then goes forward as a Candidate OASI

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:01:26 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > > No it doesn't. > > > > Of course it does. Maybe you don't use it or don't know how to do > it. But don't say it doesn't. So are you saying your word documents embed fonts on a daily basis? I've n

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:34:29 +0200, Manfred Usselmann a écrit : > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:25:47 -0700 (PDT) > plino wrote: > > > In any case, if LibreOffice's goal is to be a suite that stands > > behind the ODF format then it should review what it promises. If it > > can't embed fonts, it can n

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Goran Rakic
У суб, 25. 06 2011. у 12:34 +0200, Manfred Usselmann пише: > > Does MS Office embed fonts? It is a rarely used option, disabled by default. To use it not breaking copyright law, you need to have a properly licensed font. If you are using non-free font, usually you are not allowed to redistribute

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Manfred Usselmann
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:25:47 -0700 (PDT) plino wrote: > In any case, if LibreOffice's goal is to be a suite that stands > behind the ODF format then it should review what it promises. If it > can't embed fonts, it can never be a replacement for MS Office. Does MS Office embed fonts? Manfred --