Re: [IxDA Discuss] The death of web usability testing as we know it?

2008-01-02 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
Me? I am walking with dinosaurs. Oleh On Jan 2, 2008 11:25 PM, Jared M. Spool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 3, 2008, at 12:19 AM, Oleh Kovalchuke wrote: > > On Jan 2, 2008 9:57 PM, Jared M. Spool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "Why" is irrelevant until you're asked to repeat a past

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The death of web usability testing as we know it?

2008-01-02 Thread Jared M. Spool
On Jan 3, 2008, at 12:19 AM, Oleh Kovalchuke wrote: > On Jan 2, 2008 9:57 PM, Jared M. Spool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Why" is irrelevant until you're asked to repeat a past success. > > > Indeed. And armed with the updated "best practices" for the > starting designs, you repeat the proce

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The death of web usability testing as we know it?

2008-01-02 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
On Jan 2, 2008 9:57 PM, Jared M. Spool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Why" is irrelevant until you're asked to repeat a past success. > > Indeed. And armed with the updated "best practices" for the starting designs, you repeat the process with new (or perhaps the same goals), but inevitably in a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The death of web usability testing as we know it?

2008-01-02 Thread Jared M. Spool
On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:17 AM, Oleh Kovalchuke wrote: > 1) Just like in biology the "why" question is irrelevant for the final > measurable outcome as long as the outcome is optimized (sales, > click through > – whatever is measured). Just like in evolution the why question is > important and wil

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Leading websites using Web 2.0

2008-01-02 Thread Hussein Ahmed
In fact Chaitrali, you are using one of the powerful Web 2.0 applications in terms of usability which is Gmail. Another also by google is Google Maps. Some interesting links to design issues of RIA- Rich Internet Applications are: http://www.useit.com/jakob/ http://www.digital-web.com/articles/

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-02 Thread Bryan Minihan
The design pattern discussion from awhile back should have some links describing error-handling: http://ixda.org/discuss.php?post=15919&search=design+patterns Also, the book list (http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=20687&search=books) is another good source for tips (check W Evans post for some

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the appearance of change

2008-01-02 Thread Hussein Ahmed
In fact the sense of response which I do like most is Mac OS X's progress bar. What's nice about it is even if the whole program crashes and the progress is not increasing, the colored ripples and waves in the progressing bar looks so nice and give the real illusion of something happening. Anoth

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-02 Thread Hussein Ahmed
Sorry, this is more comprehensive but I found this through the first. http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=29892&rl=1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=24099 _

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-02 Thread Hussein Ahmed
You can check this for a coupe of hints: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-22-5200060.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=24099 ___

[IxDA Discuss] Leading websites using Web 2.0

2008-01-02 Thread Chaitrali Dhole
Can you folks point to some websites that optimise the use of web 2.0technology for enhancing user experience? Chaitrali User Experience Design group 408 338 9551 *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savanna

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the appearance of change

2008-01-02 Thread pauric
Jim:"The project I work on has two faked progress meters. One occurs in a login scenario and appears to be a marker of how much is done, but once it fills all the way, it empties and starts to refill." Without seeing the design, I might conclude that wrong pattern has been applied here?? Progress

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Traditional user testing vs micro design evolution (was: The death of web usability testing as we know it?)

2008-01-02 Thread Bruce Esrig
I'll take a chance that the following thought hasn't already been expressed on these threads. A lot of work has been done in somewhat-numerical realms to avoid getting stuck in local maxima. For example, you could throw a whole bunch of trial balloons into a room with a bumpy ceiling, see whic

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the appearance of change

2008-01-02 Thread Jim Drew
Except that it may tell you no such thing. All it tells you is that the process filling the meter hasn't locked; there may be zero connection to reality behind the scenes. The project I work on has two faked progress meters. One occurs in a login scenario and appears to be a marker of how muc

[IxDA Discuss] Traditional user testing vs micro design evolution (was: The death of web usability testing as we know it?)

2008-01-02 Thread Nick Iozzo
A great discussion appears to be happening under the original topic. I wanted to further focus it into something I have been thinking a lot about recently. So I have hijacked it and created this new thread. My apologies to Oleh. I find all of the applications coming out to do quick real time tes

[IxDA Discuss] Form Validation

2008-01-02 Thread Maxim Soloviev
Hi, I'm looking for any advices/articles on form validation. I tried to search on gamma.ixda.org, but found nothing there. 1. What is the preferable placement for error message for particular control? 2. Any guidelines on error message text. Like what is better -- "This field is required" or "Ple

[IxDA Discuss] SMS user interface guidelines/conventions

2008-01-02 Thread David Cortright
I've started working on some SMS apps (which sets interaction design back about 30 years to the command line interface). I'm wondering if there are guidelines or at least conventions out there for interacting with these types of applications. My cursory web search didn't turn up much, and looking a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interaction08 has over 315 attenees and at current rates will sell out soon.

2008-01-02 Thread Oliver Green
Hi David, Will podcasts be available for the various talks for those of us who cant attend? Thanks, Oliver . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=24095 __

[IxDA Discuss] Use of colors/shapes in tools for education

2008-01-02 Thread oliver green
Hi All, Can someone point me to research done to determine how many and what types of colors and shapes students can successfully remember or distinguish or use immediately when using tools for education? Thanks, Oliver *Come to IxD

[IxDA Discuss] Interaction08 has over 315 attenees and at current rates will sell out soon.

2008-01-02 Thread David Malouf
Hey there gang, Energy is buzzing about Interaction08 and our only real down side is that all 6000 of you can't come to Savannah and be a part of it. We have been really inspired by all that is going on with Interaction08 and with just about a month before the conference, we are very excited that

[IxDA Discuss] JOB: Interaction Designer / Senior Interaction Designer, Los Angeles, Recruiter, Full Time

2008-01-02 Thread Eric Manke
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[IxDA Discuss] JOB: Interaction Designer / Senior Interaction Designer, Seattle Area, Recruiter, Full Time

2008-01-02 Thread Eric Manke
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[IxDA Discuss] JOB: Interaction Designer / Senior Interaction Designer, New York City, Recruiter, Full Time

2008-01-02 Thread Eric Manke
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[IxDA Discuss] JOB: Manager, User Experience - A leading internet company, New York City, Recruiter, Full Time

2008-01-02 Thread Eric Manke
Title: Manager, User Experience Location: New York City Compensation: high 100's to 200K + bonus + stock Team: 12-15 people A leading Internet company is searching for a User Experience Manager to lead a multidisciplinary team comprised of Interaction Designers, Visual Designers, Web Developers,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the appearance of change

2008-01-02 Thread Julie Palmer
I love them too, but let's think for a moment about why they even exist. As Tracy says, they just tell us whether our computers are locked up. If it weren't for the poor user experience that we've been subjected to with bad operating systems, clunky applications or web pages that have unacceptabl

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The death of web usability testing as we know it?

2008-01-02 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
A few additional thoughts. It is an *intelligent* design evolution: the initial design and the possible iterations would be informed by the known best practices. The best practices themselves would be put to the test. The "Dolt=Do It" example, Nick has mentioned, could have been tested against "S

[IxDA Discuss] IxDA get together VizThink

2008-01-02 Thread Liya Zheng
Hello IxDs in SF, I will be in San Francisco for the VizThink conference from January 25th through the 28th. I would love to meet some local local IxDA people one night to talk shop. I think we’ve been working on some great programming for this 08 in New York, but I’d love to connect with you g

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the appearance of change

2008-01-02 Thread Jeff White
Evil guy who thinks progress bars are bad Evil! Just kidding. Yes, I agree they are good even if they are "fudged". Communicating system status is a pretty basic design principle, and it's highly valuable. As for the OT conversation, perhaps I misunderstood a bit of it. But the shoe example m

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the appearance of change

2008-01-02 Thread Michael Tuminello
BTW, the progress bar just popped into my head as an applicable example. I don't want to be known as the guy who thinks progress bars are bad. I don't. MT On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Tracy Boyington wrote: > As long as its animated, even a "fudged" progress bar tells me that my > computer

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is user research a band-aid for "the listening deficit"?

2008-01-02 Thread Kevin Silver
Robert, I definitely think it brings something more to the table. I recently had an engagement with a company with a company that had a pretty good pulse on their customers, in fact the information I garnished from doing stakeholder interviews was invaluable and matched most of what I fou

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the appearance of change

2008-01-02 Thread Patricia Garcia
Yes, that is what I was getting at with my post, the idea of perception. I didn't mean for it to go into the direction of agreeing with the airport security solution. Probably not the best example as it does create emotional responses, disguising the point. (Although I do wholeheartedly hear eve

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the appearance of change

2008-01-02 Thread Tracy Boyington
As long as its animated, even a "fudged" progress bar tells me that my computer has not locked up. That's really all I ask for. ~ Tracy Boyington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oklahoma Department of Career & Technology Education Stillwater, OK http://www.okcareertech.org/cimc >>> Michael Tu

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the appearance of change

2008-01-02 Thread Jan Cohen
Now I get it (either light bulbs just went off, or I'm seeing flashbacks of last nights fireworks). It's funny, your mention of the progress bar example. I'm actually critiquing a set of wireframes for a loan application site at this very moment, one of which includes a processing bar with t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The death of web usability testing as we know it?

2008-01-02 Thread Steven Pautz
While I believe this kind of approach can certainly be valuable, particularly when dovetailed with other techniques, I wonder if its use might shift some teams' or stakeholders' perspectives more towards short-term factors. If all of the metrics are session-based (as they seem to be), the results

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The death of web usability testing as we know it?

2008-01-02 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
A few comments based on the biological microevolution analogy. 1) Just like in biology the "why" question is irrelevant for the final measurable outcome as long as the outcome is optimized (sales, click through – whatever is measured). Just like in evolution the why question is important and wi