Re: [IxDA Discuss] Gathering Data from Training

2008-10-11 Thread William Brall
You'll do much better educating your developers than you will mining your userbase. Have them read a few books. Umm.. Off the top of my head: The Inmates Are Running the Asylum - Alan Cooper Why Software Sucks - Can't find it to see who wrote it, think it was Platt. About Face 3.0 is most likely t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Gathering Data from Training

2008-10-11 Thread Jamie McAtee
Bojhan, I am also in a similar situation. The company I work for builds supply chain management products. Everything from warehousing and transportation to forecasting of goods. The system is quite complex and has a fairly high learning curve. We also have training courses and consultants that go

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good namefor your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-11 Thread Jarod Tang
Hi Mary, Appreciate your idea very much. More and more, I found the term "use design/er" makes this situation easier for me. I can explain what i do without difficulty [compare to visual design/interface design, i design the use of the artifact], and it's also avoid the problem on how i design the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Gathering Data from Training

2008-10-11 Thread Bojhan Somers
Hey, William Brall I kind of expected this response, sadly this is a open source project so the prospects of changing the culture around of designing up front as much as I would want them to, is a slow process. As you said, we don't want to turn training into usability testing. But there is

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Gathering Data from Training

2008-10-11 Thread William Brall
As a general rule, if the system you developed needs a training course to understand, it is poorly designed. Usability study bests not having anything but it doesn't do a very good job of telling you how to fix problems. It can really only tell you where there are problems. That said, I wouldn't

[IxDA Discuss] Gathering Data from Training

2008-10-11 Thread Bojhan Somers
Hi Everyone, I work with a lot of developers who give training on the system they develop, recently they noticed that a lot of their recommendations in usability issues come from their previous experience training people. They are trying to setup a system of gathering useful information from

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-11 Thread Josh Seiden
Hey folks, Just a reminder here to please refrain from personal attacks in our discussions. This is a fascinating topic, and there is plenty of room to discuss it--and to disagree--without having to diminish one another. Thanks, JS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good namefor your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-11 Thread MMDeaton
I do contract work for both private clients and through an agent. My resume and my bio say "user experience specialist." I am finding that "user experience" has taken hold in mainstream business and so people to whom I pitch proposals understand it. To them, of course, I describe the exact task

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-11 Thread Scott McDaniel
I'm somewhat more on the side of seeing the value in Facebook, but you just said people can't judge if something is to their own liking? You're beautiful. Scott On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Kontra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We don't live in a theocracy where *you* get to judge whether l

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-11 Thread Jared Spool
On Oct 11, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Christina Wodtke wrote: So, I'll take it on faith that they somehow know how this will play out (or are betting that someone will in time). Yep. you got it. I live on the other side of the looking glass. it's nice here, if you like oysters and turtle soup.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good name for your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-11 Thread michel milano
> what's your preferred name for your real world design practice? when speaking to folks outside of the industry, I have received good responses to some variant of "i work on the ergonomics of software," since i believe that a wider swath of the population has some experience with ergonomics in

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-11 Thread Christina Wodtke
> So, I'll take it on faith that they somehow know how this will play out (or > are betting that someone will in time). > > Yep. you got it. I live on the other side of the looking glass. it's nice here, if you like oysters and turtle soup. Now let's discuss eyetracking... ;) ___

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-11 Thread Jared Spool
On Oct 11, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Christina Wodtke wrote: Venture capital is not like other kinds of money. They bet on a lot of different highly unlikely things. All their bets are on weird and unknown aproaches. They bet smart people will figure things out. They bet that if even one of their

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-11 Thread Christina Wodtke
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Jared Spool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you think that's how they pitched it to their investors? "We think it's > quite likely we'll never have a business model that gives you the 10x > returns you're looking for, but if luck has it, we just might stumble acros

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good name for your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-11 Thread rusaila bazlamit
I think "Interaction Design" is fine... sometimes I use responsive design... if it applies on the project... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=34155 _

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good name for your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-11 Thread Lucilla Madamba
This is what I am finding as well within my own experience. I'm currently taking part in a entrepreneurial training program, and all of the program participants have to deliver their business plan, and present it in front our business advisors and a representive group of business owners from variou

[IxDA Discuss] IA InfoCamp Berlin

2008-10-11 Thread Jan Jursa
(sorry for x-posting) Remember, there will be an IA BarCamp this November in Berlin: *IA InfoCamp Berlin* http://www.amiando.com/infocampberlin.html Brought to you by the "Berlin IA Cocktail Hour" crowd . The IA InfoCamp Berlin is on F

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Examples of "anchored" navigation anyone?

2008-10-11 Thread William Brall
If you wish to build one of these, google "position:fixed" This is a CSS property that will enable you to make fixed menus and such. I want to see more of these on the web. They make sense. Will . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Site Map - How important is it as a link?

2008-10-11 Thread William Brall
I'm going to have to put my foot down on the no-site-map side of the fence. A site-map is a fallback tool for programmers and designers, not for users. It is a sign of lazy design and there are a million better options. A good search tool will beat the snot out of a site-map. Additionally, site ma

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-11 Thread Jared Spool
On Oct 10, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote: So... I have to wonder out loud: Why not just charge $9/month for a Facebook account? I know that's so 1992 with an that oh-so-dated America Online model, but hey... At some point, we'll all finally get past the silly notion that stuf

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-11 Thread Jared Spool
On Oct 11, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Christina Wodtke wrote: If I were Zuckerberg, I wouldn't put a timetable on finding a business model. There are a number of them that might work and I assume they'll try them all. They've got enough money they have bought themselves time to tune. Smart. The t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good name for your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-11 Thread Jack Moffett
I agree with Dave on this. I've always gone by the title "Interaction Designer". This is in large part because that is specifically what my degree is in, but I've always considered my self to be an advocate for IxD. So, when somebody asks me what I do, or when I am introducing myself to a n

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Site Map - How important is it as a link?

2008-10-11 Thread marianne
Good Morning All And with excellent and valid feedback. The purpose of the Index on the Windows site is two fold and you hit the first one, to give the customer the opportunity to find content in generalized contextual categories. The second is to provide the search engines with context groupings

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Finally! My Prayers Will Be Answered. In 3 years.

2008-10-11 Thread Christina Wodtke
I hope everyone has read this article http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free?currentPage=all it has a great list of potential ways a free service can generate revenue. Or for the digest version, Armano's visualization http://darmano.typepad.com/logic_emotion/2008/10/the-4-kinds-of.h

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good name for your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-11 Thread Kurt Krumme
It's probably overly simplistic, but I just use Web Designer usually. I still think that anything 'architect' is a bit pretentious unless you're putting up buildings. Interface Designer is a close second for me, but I find that it doesn't come-off as well unless I'm there in person to explain it.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Examples of "anchored" navigation anyone?

2008-10-11 Thread Matthew Nish-Lapidus
Hi, I think Facebook has what you're looking for. Matt. On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Celeste Cefalu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm having trouble finding some examples of an interesting UI I -know- I've > seen. I'm not sure what to call it, and have browsed some of my go-to >

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good name for your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-11 Thread David Malouf
Before I started doing hardware design, I said "software designer". Like Josh I thought it helpful to focus on the product and found that "interface" was too technical. Now that I do hardware, I'm "stuck" with "interaction designer" and the labor (of love) of explaining to people exactly what I do

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good name for your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-11 Thread Joshua Porter
I like the term "interface designer", as it includes the artifact in question. Calling an interface designer by some other name is like calling a graphic designer a "visual experience architect" or some such nonsense. I hate the term "user experience designer", as I don't believe you can design

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Do you regard "Interaction Design" as good name for your design practice? else, what's your prefer?

2008-10-11 Thread Daniel Szuc
I lead with whatever the audience and market I am in understands, and underneath that aim to paint a larger UX picture. The rest is just jargon :) rgds, Dan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=34155 _