A lot of interesting posts here.
HTML has a comfortable feel about it.
Its main value is in Simplicity, familiarity and consistency.
But there's things can't do in HTML or AJAX or any available
Javascript project that you can do using the Flash plug-in.
That's what it comes down to.
That's why p
On Mar 25, 2008, at 10:35 PM, Kontra wrote:
> Computerworld. Forrester. Report.
> That pretty much settles that!
Are you trolling on purpose here or what?
That article is so patently ridiculous, vague and chock full of so
little real qualitative information that I'm not even sure where to
b
Andrei Herasimchuk:
> Now... I'm not saying Flex/Silverlight or any of those technologies
> are bad or anything. But what I am tired of are people who aren't
> discussing the pros and cons of all of them at a purely agnostic,
> "what happens" level, letting people decide for themselves what they
>
" do people use Flex for real projects? I have yet to see any web
app/site that really uses Flex for an RIA.. most apps still use (and
will use IMHO) web standard technologies like html, css, javascript,
etc...
What are people suing Flex for? intranet apps? industrial? anything?
and in that ligh
Does anybody have experience with Flex and the .net platform as a backend?
What are the possibilities, where are the limits and obstacles?
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I've been really trying to stay away from this... but I have to chime
> in.
Uh Oh. :)
>
> > 1) Write once, deploy cross platform
>
> That "pro" is also it's biggest con, in that you are tying yourself,
> your product and everything you do to Adobe in what is effectively a
> closed and proprieta
> Wow. Honestly this is fantastic Dave. I wasn't trying to be a pain in the
> ass - if you refer back to my post about stakeholders and wishing more would
> start at the problem-space definition and goals first - things would be alot
> better. With the things you set down - it means that a team can
Let me clarify two things real quick:
On Mar 24, 2008, at 1:40 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote:
> This is an argument for dropping the web browser as a development
> platform. However, if Adobe ever were honest about that product path,
> they'd probably lose 90% of the people who would even be inter
I've been really trying to stay away from this... but I have to chime
in.
On Mar 24, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Dave Meeker wrote:
> The biggest advantages of using the Flash player as a runtime for
> your RIA
> as opposed to using AJAX:
>
> 1) Write once, deploy cross platform
That "pro" is also it
Wow. Honestly this is fantastic Dave. I wasn't trying to be a pain in the
ass - if you refer back to my post about stakeholders and wishing more would
start at the problem-space definition and goals first - things would be alot
better. With the things you set down - it means that a team can get thr
> So why Flex? Could you list out some reasons? You need to answer that
> relative to other platforms.
Sure. I can tackle this one.
Flex isn't perfect for everyone. I've seen a lot of people with solid Flash
chops try to use Flex and just get frustrated. (Nobody said Flex was "easy")
:)
There ha
One more I forgot to mention...
If you have Adobe CS3 (and I assume that most of you do), you've seen the
Adobe "Video Workshop"... which was shipped with CS3 on DVD and is also
hosted online at http://www.*adobe*.com/designcenter/*video*_*workshop*/
This application was built by my team for Adobe
While a good start - I fear your post suffered from an unbearable lightness
of being.
"Why Flex? I could go on for ages on this topic."
So why Flex? Could you list out some reasons? You need to answer that
relative to other platforms.
" It is, however, the perfect tool when you've got a group
of
A... Flex
Hey all. As someone who doesn't post to the list much, I finally feel
compelled to speak up regarding the whole prototyping/thermo and flex
subject. Alas, it is something that I arguably know something about.
As a guy who has been using flex for close to 5 years and has seen it
in response to those who have posted the "i am a still recovering flex
user" threads, one comment worth making is that the initial version of
Flex (1.5 and earlier) was really (IMO) released too soon. The code
editor was built on dreamweaver rather than eclipse, and compared to
2.0, it was
If you all don't mind - I would love to take a step back from the
"implement/not" discussion and point out a thread I hear being repeated in
this discussion which is management starting with the tech
selection/solution first which is a bad idea all around. I know at least in
my b-school strategy cl
rmo so I may have more responses.
=Ryan Stewart
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Additionally, unless you are a huge brand name *cough* Nike *cough*
in which it doesn't matter, most e-commerce sites don't want to be
built in Flash.
This is because often e-commerce is highly dependent on (SEO) search
engine optimization.
On Mar 23, 2008, at 8:50 AM, Jose E. wrote:
> I G
Very, Very good point.
Flash definitely hasn't in the past grown, nor do I think it will in
the future grow very quickly in creative adaptive ways, because of
this hinderance.
On Mar 23, 2008, at 8:01 AM, Matthew Nish-Lapidus wrote:.
>
> All that aside, there is one huge problem I see with the
We built a Flex application for an insurance company's CSRs.
It was - as Troy mentioned for one of his projects - because the
executive stakeholder
heard of this Flex-thing and wanted to whiz-bang. I had done Flash in
the past, so
I was tapped to learn Flex and go from there.
When it dealt with ou
I Guess the main issues with Flash/Flex is the addressing issues that
are common stuff when using standard XHTML/CSS like the back button,
custom urls and other trivialities.
But for great interaction and immersive experiences you have to use
Flash, also to integrate video Flash is the de facto st
> development takes longer, there are more issues.. and you inevitably
> end up rebuilding most of the browser functionality that you get with
> HTML for free.
No argument if you are comparing, but they are different beasts. One
of the reasons I love the Flash Platform is the ability for peopl
alouf
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Matt,
Huh? My favorite RIA right now is a Flex app. Buzzword.com. It is the
best browser based word processor.
There is also (and I'm forgetting the name)
On more quick note before I end my rant :)
What about accessibility? font-size changing? both are much more
difficult in Flash, and I imagine Flex is the same...
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Matthew Nish-Lapidus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I have lots of experience working on Flash base
I have lots of experience working on Flash based projects, and overall
it's been about 20% positive, 80% negative. I've found that
development takes longer, there are more issues.. and you inevitably
end up rebuilding most of the browser functionality that you get with
HTML for free.
I'm of the m
I am a flash expert and have played with Flex as well. I've seen
Thermo demo'd at MAX, and I look forward to seeing it help bridge the
gaps in real world workflows between Photoshoppers, Illustrators and
Flash, Dreamweaver, Fireworks and Flexers.
The declaritive aspect of Flex can be faster than F
Matt,
Huh? My favorite RIA right now is a Flex app. Buzzword.com. It is the
best browser based word processor.
There is also (and I'm forgetting the name) great PPT clone done in
Flash/Flex as well.
I think Yahoo maps is or used to be a flash/flex app.
Goowy.com is one.
And as Will highlighted
Sorry if this is long ... I have been burned by a few real projects.
I have done a few projects over the last few years where the direction given
was to use Flex.
I really believe that Flex is one of those tools that trys to get momentum
from the developer out. Developers love Flex. They get co
1. orginal kayak.com was in flex with flash front end. we changed to
html/ajax cause aol gave us money with strings attached - those strings
included no plugins (flash), and work with IE 5.5 on 36K dial-up connection.
those constraints meant rebuilding the front end.
2. http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/
So, all this talk about Thermo and how it integrates into Flex... but
do people use Flex for real projects? I have yet to see any web
app/site that really uses Flex for an RIA.. most apps still use (and
will use IMHO) web standard technologies like html, css, javascript,
etc...
What are people su
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