Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients...

2007-11-27 Thread Bj�rn Simonson
Hi all, I discussed the matter with the clients project manager and he said there was no way the boss would change his mind. So I did what he asked and moved on. Thank you again for your input, it does feel better knowing that it seems to happen all the time and you cannot always get it your way.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients...

2007-11-08 Thread KS Wang
I have dealt with an almost similar sort of client. What actually happen is that the said person is used to calling the shots, and would insist on getting things done "his way" without actual valid reasons. Apart some time reasoning with him etc it became clear that there was no way the client is

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients...

2007-11-08 Thread Bj�rn Simonson
Hi all, Thank you very much for your responses. I'll come back to this thread when everything is said and done and report how things went. Cheers, Björn . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://gamma.ixda.org/discuss?post=22264

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients...

2007-11-07 Thread Ty Hatch
Gotta agree. Try to talk to the boss and see if you can find out why he/she's so insistent that that element be included in the top nav. Two things will probably happen: 1. You get an insight to the boss and how he/she thinks, which could smooth out the approval process down the road. 2. You'll be

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients...

2007-11-07 Thread Sara Summers
Corollary: it's much easier to talk a client out of plainly awful design decisions when the client trusts you and understands that you've taken their input seriously. -Anne I think that is the biggest point right there. Everyone wants to be heard. If your client

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients...

2007-11-07 Thread Bj�rn Simonson
Hi Kel, I'll definitely meet them again for a discussion but as always one should pick ones battles, and this might not be the right one. Preparation and an open mind are probably key here and as you say, it's a tricky balance. Regards, Björn . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients...

2007-11-07 Thread Anne Hjortshoj
Sometimes, when a client seems unaccountably stubborn about including a design element, there's a good reason for it, but the client can't articulate why. And resistance from the designer just makes the client shut down in frustration, so we're left with a false sense that the client is being unrea

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients...

2007-11-07 Thread Kel Smith
First, determine if this is even worth your time and effort. You mention that it's a tight deadline with a small budget; I'd be inclined to satisfy the client's request. That being said, I would schedule a meeting with the stakeholder and respectfully make your case. Frame it in such a way that le

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients...

2007-11-07 Thread Bj�rn Simonson
Hi Petteri, Unfortunately there haven't been any resources available (time/money that is) to make proper scenarios/personas. Nevertheless I should be able to discuss how the different solutions will work for a user looking for specific information in different scenarios. Hopefully though, the comp

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients...

2007-11-07 Thread Petteri Hiisilä
Björn Simonson kirjoitti 7.11.2007 kello 13:09: > My problem is that the boss is in a position to veto pretty much > everything and/or the project manger is not strong enough to stand > up to his boss in these matters. So even if I get the project group > to agree that we can't change the s

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients...

2007-11-07 Thread Bernie Monette
> From: Björn Simonson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:09:42 +0100 > To: > Conversation: How to handle clients... > Subject: [IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients... > > ...that are making suggestions to the structure of a website that are bad and

Re: [IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients...

2007-11-07 Thread Bj�rn Simonson
Yeah, I definitely don't want to get into a pissing contest (I would loose =). And you're probably right about the second suggestion too; the customer is always right, right? I think I know now what the boss is looking for and I'm working on a compromise. If he doesn't like it I'll do it his way.

[IxDA Discuss] How to handle clients...

2007-11-07 Thread Björn Simonson
...that are making suggestions to the structure of a website that are bad and will screw everything up? I'm currently working on a project for a smaller website (with a tight budget). I've done a couple of workshops and have had some discussions with the clients project group to come up with a