Re: [IxDA Discuss] why the hate-on User-centered Design? (was Re: practice vs. discipline roles vs. people

2008-10-06 Thread Dmitry Nekrasovski
Barbara, that was a great post! (Especially the first and penultimate paragraphs.) It seems to me that every term used to describe work done in our field ascends, and then eventually descends, the Gartner hype curve. This process ends with gurus and guru wannabes railing against that term. In the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] why the hate-on User-centered Design? (was Re: practice vs. discipline roles vs. people

2008-10-06 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr
It's all UCD to me. So why the backlash? It feels like a backlash against love songs, sandwiches or democracy. The frequent arguments (which I'm frequently part of): 1) Many people (and it sounds like you're part of this group) view User-Centered Design a sort of an all-encompassing,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] why the hate-on User-centered Design? (was Re: practice vs. discipline roles vs. people

2008-10-06 Thread Nick Gassman
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:35:34 -0700, Christina wrote: Lately a lot of senior folks seem to be railing on user-centered design. Just to chip in with my British 2p. I don't care what it's called really. We're in business, we have a website that needs to achieve some things. There are a number of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] why the hate-on User-centered Design? (was Re: practice vs. discipline roles vs. people

2008-10-06 Thread Robert Skrobe
Jared wrote: I think the problem is that UCD means whatever people want it to mean. And that's often, You're not doing things the way I think they should be done, so you're not doing UCD. Personally, my argument is that we've never been able to define it with any rigor and, therefore, it quickly

[IxDA Discuss] why the hate-on User-centered Design? (was Re: practice vs. discipline roles vs. people

2008-10-05 Thread Christina Wodtke
Lately a lot of senior folks seem to be railing on user-centered design. Now, I thought UCD was the idea of putting the users in the center of the design choices. To do that, you can do it with a bunch of methodologies, or visit the users in their native habitat then keep them in mind later, or

Re: [IxDA Discuss] why the hate-on User-centered Design? (was Re: practice vs. discipline roles vs. people

2008-10-05 Thread Jared Spool
I think the problem is that UCD means whatever people want it to mean. And that's often, You're not doing things the way I think they should be done, so you're not doing UCD. Personally, my argument is that we've never been able to define it with any rigor and, therefore, it quickly

Re: [IxDA Discuss] why the hate-on User-centered Design? (was Re: practice vs. discipline roles vs. people

2008-10-05 Thread Kontra
So why the backlash? Because there's more to design than just the user. It feels like a backlash against love songs, sandwiches or democracy. There are horrible love songs, revolting sandwiches and atrocities committed in the name of democracy. -- Kontra http://counternotions.com