Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread Joseph Kern
No communications delivered through a third party is trusted. All communications on the internet are through a third party. No communications on the internet can be trusted. Traffic analysis will always be more important than message analysis. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:46 AM, wrote: > Classic T

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread rackow
Classic TV is on in the background. Old shows and movies.. so reference frame of mind. I'm not sure how serious he really is about this story. It makes for popular press and sells advertising. Playing in the background is "To Dream the Impossible Dream". It helped sell tickets. While people a

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread Ed
In the beginning, the Internet was not for commercial use and even before that personal use was a transgression. Today, obviously there are fewer rules. On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Guus Snijders wrote: > Op 6 sep. 2013 17:30 schreef "Guus Snijders" het > volgende: > > > > > Op 6 sep. 2013

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread Guus Snijders
Op 6 sep. 2013 17:30 schreef "Guus Snijders" het volgende: > > Op 6 sep. 2013 16:16 schreef "Ski Kacoroski" het volgende: > > > > > Hi, > > > > Saw this today: > > > > http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spying > > > > and I am wondering what folk

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread William J. Robbins
Not that I disagree with the intent of the article, nor need to reform. However "This is not the internet the world needs, or t*he internet its creators envisioned*." is an odd statement. I do feel obliged to point out the Internet originated as a DARPA project: http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread Ski Kacoroski
On 09/06/2013 08:03 AM, Brandon Allbery wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:58 AM, William J. Robbins mailto:will...@wjrobbins.com>> wrote: Not that I disagree with the intent of the article, nor need to reform. However "This is not the internet the world needs, or t*he internet its cr

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:58 AM, William J. Robbins wrote: > Not that I disagree with the intent of the article, nor need to reform. > However "This is not the internet the world needs, or t*he internet its > creators envisioned*." is an odd statement. > > I do feel obliged to point out the Intern

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread William J. Robbins
Agreed. :) - William On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Brandon Allbery wrote: > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:10 AM, William J. Robbins > wrote: > >> I'd venture to say that academics being paid by the DoD are still part of >> the military complex. Oppenheimer was an academic for instance. >> >

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread Josh Smift
WJR> I do feel obliged to point out the Internet originated as a DARPA project: WJR> http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx WJR> WJR> So what would a military complex envision exactly if not .gov utilization? Sure, but the original Internet certainly wasn't very security-oriented either.

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:10 AM, William J. Robbins wrote: > I'd venture to say that academics being paid by the DoD are still part of > the military complex. Oppenheimer was an academic for instance. > They can be. It's not automatically true that they have the same goals, though. -- brandon

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread Guus Snijders
Op 6 sep. 2013 16:16 schreef "Ski Kacoroski" het volgende: > > Hi, > > Saw this today: > > http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spying > > and I am wondering what folks think of it? Not really impressed, slightly disappointed perhaps. So far, Snowd

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread William J. Robbins
I'd venture to say that academics being paid by the DoD are still part of the military complex. Oppenheimer was an academic for instance. - William On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Brandon Allbery wrote: > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:58 AM, William J. Robbins > wrote: > >> Not that I disagree

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread Smith, David
I now have an urge to re-read "Where Wizards Stay Up Late." (That book is a fairly readable, though not-too-technical, history of the early Internet. Don't remember if it covered any of the political issues, sadly.) David Smith -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [m

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Testing...

2013-09-06 Thread Robert Brockway
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013, Y E wrote: Did I pass? I didn't even study! Whenever I had to do tests to public lists I would always disguise them as joke emails. It was a test but everyone though it was a joke!!! I'm sure I fooled everyone :) Anyway, here is a joke from my ancient collection us

[lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread Ski Kacoroski
Hi, Saw this today: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spying and I am wondering what folks think of it? cheers, ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe"John Muir Chris "S

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Testing...

2013-09-06 Thread Chase Hoffman
If a potato can power GlaDOS, it's good enough for this list, methinks. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2013, at 8:44 AM, Brandon Allbery wrote: On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Moose Finklestein wrote: > Great, experimenting. > Next up, someone hooks up the list to a potato to see if it can gen

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Testing...

2013-09-06 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Moose Finklestein wrote: > Great, experimenting. > Next up, someone hooks up the list to a potato to see if it can generate > energy. > Periodic bursts of lots of heat, occasionally a little light; maybe we need a steam generator for that. -- brandon s allbery k