Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Zachary L. Stauber
If I'm not mistaken at the last FOSS4G conference OracleXE already did have a demonstration and it wasn't nearly as integrated with open source software as the requirements we're now talking about to be part of FOSS4G. I didn't attend it, but I did talk to some of the presenters afterwards for som

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New Project.

2007-03-05 Thread Bob Basques
Arnulf, "Managed Web Mapping Application Framework" That's pretty good. I've been looking for a description just about like that. :c) While we haven't got the specific capability of building a client from the Server in place (yet) the MOOSE frame work certainly is intended to do so. As you

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New Project.

2007-03-05 Thread Tyler Mitchell
On 28-Feb-07, at 11:06 AM, Bob Basques wrote: I'm wondering about finding a new home for a Mapping Client Project. What requirements are there for proposing a new project under the OSGEO Umbrella? I can set up a Physical home for it, but was wondering more about having OSGEO handling the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Arnulf Christl
Zachary L. Stauber wrote: If I'm not mistaken at the last FOSS4G conference OracleXE already did have a demonstration and it wasn't nearly as integrated with open source software as the requirements we're now talking about to be part of FOSS4G. I didn't attend it, but I did talk to some of the p

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread ross s
Just to add a bit more spice to the discussion.  I think the root problem here is a definition amoung open source purists.  Jeff Thurston has added some interesting points to his blog (below). --- How Free is Free? How Open is Open? An interesting discussion is going on within the OSGEO commmuni

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Frank Warmerdam
ross s wrote: Just to add a bit more spice to the discussion. I think the root problem here is a definition amoung open source purists. Jeff Thurston has added some interesting points to his blog (below). --- So? is your ?free? more pure than my ?free?? Is there a ?free-o-meter? or somethin

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Allan Doyle
On Mar 5, 2007, at 13:26, Frank Warmerdam wrote: ross s wrote: Just to add a bit more spice to the discussion. I think the root problem here is a definition amoung open source purists. Jeff Thurston has added some interesting points to his blog (below). --- So? is your ?free? more pure t

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Arnulf Christl
On Mon, March 5, 2007 19:26, Allan Doyle wrote: > > On Mar 5, 2007, at 13:26, Frank Warmerdam wrote: > >> ross s wrote: >>> Just to add a bit more spice to the discussion. I think the root >>> problem here is a definition amoung open source purists. Jeff >>> Thurston has added some interesting p

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Ned Horning
On Mar 5, 2007, at 13:26, Frank Warmerdam wrote: > The lack of understanding of what we mean by free just demonstrates the > need for additional outreach by OSGeo. I am still trying to get my head around the "free and open source" concept. I've been through the Free Software Foundation site and

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Allan Doyle
On Mar 5, 2007, at 13:49, Ned Horning wrote: On Mar 5, 2007, at 13:26, Frank Warmerdam wrote: The lack of understanding of what we mean by free just demonstrates the need for additional outreach by OSGeo. I am still trying to get my head around the "free and open source" concept. I've b

[OSGeo-Discuss] Call for articles - OSGeo Newsletter

2007-03-05 Thread Tyler Mitchell
The OSGeo Newsletter development team invites you to contribute news, articles, event summaries, programming tutorials and more for the upcoming OSGeo News - Volume 1. There are several sections planned for the newsletter. General descriptions of each category can be found on the Newsletter

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread watry
Now class! Please pay attention!! According to the Free Software Foundation Free software is software that comes with permission for anyone to use, copy, and distribute, either verbatim or with modifications, either gratis or for a fee. In particular, this means that source code must be avail

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Paul Ramsey
Au contraire, you'll find the GPL and LGPL duly listed as OSI-approved licenses here: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ While the "free" folks might not like the flexibility displayed by the "open source" movement, they can be fully subsumed from a licensing point-of-view, if not an advocacy

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Ned Horning
On Mar 5, 2007, at 13:49, Allan Doyle wrote: > There are Open Source licenses that do not require all of freedoms of > Free Software, particularly the requirement to deliver source code if > you also deliver modifications. That effectively lets people close > off improvements they have made to for

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Chip Mefford
Ned Horning wrote: > On Mar 5, 2007, at 13:26, Frank Warmerdam wrote: > >> The lack of understanding of what we mean by free just demonstrates the >> need for additional outreach by OSGeo. > > I am still trying to get my head around the "free and open source" concept. > I've been through the Fre

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Allan Doyle
On Mar 5, 2007, at 14:27, Paul Ramsey wrote: Au contraire, you'll find the GPL and LGPL duly listed as OSI- approved licenses here: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ While the "free" folks might not like the flexibility displayed by the "open source" movement, they can be fully subsumed fro

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Arnulf Christl
On Mon, March 5, 2007 20:33, Ned Horning wrote: > On Mar 5, 2007, at 13:49, Allan Doyle wrote: > >> There are Open Source licenses that do not require all of freedoms of >> Free Software, particularly the requirement to deliver source code if >> you also deliver modifications. That effectively let

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread nicholas . g . lawrence
> PS. What is the "correct" term for software that doesn't cost anything but > is closed (like MultiSpec and 3DEM)? Freeware? gratisware nick Opinions contained in this e-mail do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Tim Bowden
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 13:26 -0500, Frank Warmerdam wrote: > ross s wrote: > > Just to add a bit more spice to the discussion. I think the root > > problem here is a definition amoung open source purists. Jeff Thurston > > has added some interesting points to his blog (below). > > > > --- > > S

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] "Free"

2007-03-05 Thread Zachary L. Stauber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ross s wrote: > Just to add a bit more spice to the discussion. I think the root > problem here is a definition amoung open source purists. Jeff Thurston > has added some interesting points to his blog (below). > I think the root of the problem is