Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Dave Patton
On 2014/06/24 03:33, Mateusz Łoskot wrote: > Folks, > > I still can't comprehend what actually is being objected in the > proposal of membership fee. Moreover, I can't understand how the fact > members financially support their organisation stands in > contradiction with active volunteer-based par

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Alex Mandel
On 06/24/2014 06:14 AM, Mateusz Łoskot wrote: > On 24 June 2014 14:38, María Arias de Reyna wrote: >> >> But there is a big but: > > That's why I decided to ask, what are those "buts", as I haven't learned > any concrete arguments from the original thread. > >> It happened to me with IEEE and >>

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Stephen Woodbridge
Folks, I'll toss my two cents into this discussion. I think a lot of this has been already stated in part by others. o while I don't object to a membership fee in principal it has to come with some benefits for the member not for OSGeo. While it might be beneficial to OSGeo by providing an i

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Mateusz Łoskot
On 24 June 2014 14:38, María Arias de Reyna wrote: > > But there is a big but: That's why I decided to ask, what are those "buts", as I haven't learned any concrete arguments from the original thread. > It happened to me with IEEE and > I still haven't returned to them after so many years. Once

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Even Rouault
Hi, Interesting topic that raises quite a few questions. I think that all people who have commented in that thread have not necessarily agreed if membership fees would be something in addition to the nomination and election processs, or if it would replace it. If we switch to a paid membership,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Arnulf Christl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 María, good points, thanks. I strongly believe that paying a fee for one type of membership must not estrange anybody else who wants to participate. And I don't think that this is in the interest of anybody proposing a paid scheme. Trying to gauge the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread María Arias de Reyna
Hi, I have been reading this conversation silently and for my point of view, if paying helps OsGeo, then subsctription fees are welcome. But there is a big but: for students and people who are unemployed, subsctription fees can be very discouraging. It happened to me with IEEE and I still haven't

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Mateusz Łoskot
On 24 June 2014 14:02, Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas wrote: > El 24/06/14 13:26, Mateusz Łoskot escribió: >>> >> Shortly, I see nothing wrong in expecting as an organisation >> that if an individual aims and agrees to be nominated for >> OSGeo Charter Member she/he also agrees to donate on yearly/mont

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas
El 24/06/14 13:26, Mateusz Łoskot escribió: >> >> The problem I think is that we are talking about the membership, about >> putting money as a requirement, instead of recognition being elected by >> your peers. > > Right, that is something, an actual topic that we can discuss about. > > IMHO, sim

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Mateusz Łoskot
On 24 June 2014 12:52, Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas wrote: > El 24/06/14 12:33, Mateusz Łoskot escribió: >> >> I still can't comprehend what actually is being objected in the proposal >> of membership fee. >> Moreover, I can't understand how the fact members financially support their >> organisation

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas
El 24/06/14 12:33, Mateusz Łoskot escribió: > Folks, > > I still can't comprehend what actually is being objected in the proposal > of membership fee. > Moreover, I can't understand how the fact members financially support their > organisation stands in contradiction with active volunteer-based >

[OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-06-24 Thread Mateusz Łoskot
Folks, I still can't comprehend what actually is being objected in the proposal of membership fee. Moreover, I can't understand how the fact members financially support their organisation stands in contradiction with active volunteer-based participation. What is the actual problem here, act of pa

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members

2014-06-24 Thread Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas
El 24/06/14 10:58, Duarte Carreira escribió: > Well I just have to chime in... > > I do promote osgeo projects all the time. I don't get paid. I am a Charter > Member. This sometimes is useful for people to understand the sense of > community that exists in Open Source projects, as opposed to "o

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members

2014-06-24 Thread Bart van den Eijnden
Hi Kari, some replies inline. Best regards, Bart On 24 Jun 2014, at 11:47, Kari Salovaara wrote: > Hi, > > I was following this thread with disbelief how most of the participants don't > understand which is the situation of open idea, open source applications and > open data in most countri

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members

2014-06-24 Thread Kari Salovaara
Hi, I was following this thread with disbelief how most of the participants don't understand which is the situation of open idea, open source applications and open data in most countries round the world. And what kind of support those people get when trying to bring message to disbelievers. A

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members

2014-06-24 Thread Duarte Carreira
Well I just have to chime in... I do promote osgeo projects all the time. I don't get paid. I am a Charter Member. This sometimes is useful for people to understand the sense of community that exists in Open Source projects, as opposed to "other associations" who are in fact many times seen (an