Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Diversity in FOSS4G

2018-08-13 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
Adam, I do not care for Stoet and Geary's attempt to explain the correlation they found, but their statistics are harder to dismiss. Anyone arguing for quantitative measures such as equality of gender outcome will need to address this quantitative evidence and explain how OSGeo might be able

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Diversity in FOSS4G

2018-08-13 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
Vicky, this recent article in The Economist discusses decreasing workforce participation of women in India, very much in-line with your experience: https://www.economist.com/leaders/2018/07/05/why-india-needs-women-to-work Kind regards, Ben. On 13/08/18 15:57, Vicky Vergara wrote: But I am

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Diversity in FOSS4G

2018-08-13 Thread Cameron Shorter
I think I'm safe in assessing that all of us contributing to this discussion (and probably many more lurking) believe in promoting diversity. We might disagree on relevance of specific scientific papers, but I feel we should not be distracted by our differences and rather should focus on what

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Diversity in FOSS4G

2018-08-13 Thread Guido Stein
Hey folks, It is great to see so much discussion about what our standard as a community are for defining a successfully event. I would suggest that we codify our goals towards diversity and inclusion into the Code of Conduct (CoC). This would make it clearer about what values we as a community

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Diversity in FOSS4G

2018-08-13 Thread Jeff McKenna
Thank you Adam. I believe listening and talking directly is even more important in the case of events such as FOSS4G-Asia where part of the culture is showing respect for each other. It takes much more of a boots-on-the-ground approach, to talk directly and plan in those cases. Looking

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Diversity in FOSS4G

2018-08-13 Thread adam steer
Hi all I appreciate this topic arising. I appreciate the efforts of the FOSS4G Dar committee; and the reasons for their decisions. I also appreciate that the FOSS4G Asia LOC have a different operating environment and look forward to hearing about their drivers. And I appreciate discussion about

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Diversity in FOSS4G

2018-08-13 Thread Jeff McKenna
Thank you for sharing these personal stories Vicky. There are so many different cultural factors at our FOSS4G events around the world. How can we make sure that FOSS4G events are both diverse and inclusive? I think the first step is always to try contacting the FOSS4G local committee

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Diversity in FOSS4G

2018-08-13 Thread Jachym Cepicky
I would agree with Jonathan's point of view. Yes, Asian's team put together unfortunate list of keynoters (from one point of view). Dar team did the same the opposite way around and apparently fully consciously (nothing against any of the speakers, this is the LOC decision). Leave it for now and