[slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-24 Thread Rene
Well, I have had only positive expierience with raid5. I have been using it for several years now. Lost one controller about 2 years ago and a couple of drives in the past 3 years. No problems to restore the system in all cases. Using good raid controllers also helps, as they inform you about

Re: [slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-24 Thread Peter Nõu
Robin Bowes wrote: Personally, I have a 6-disk R5 array - 4 + 1 parity + 1 hot spare I'll be going with RAID6 next time - that can withstand the loss of two drives. and what controller might you invest in for this (future) setup? something relatively cheap that can be installed in old

Re: [slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-24 Thread Robin Bowes
Peter Nõu wrote: Robin Bowes wrote: Personally, I have a 6-disk R5 array - 4 + 1 parity + 1 hot spare I'll be going with RAID6 next time - that can withstand the loss of two drives. and what controller might you invest in for this (future) setup? something relatively cheap that can

Re: [slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-24 Thread Jack Coates
dean blackketter wrote: My experience with raid5 was a bad one. I had one drive fail on my linux server and didn't get notified for a long time. Then when I went to add another drive and rebuild, another (of the same vintage) went out. Now, I'm not 100% sure that it wasn't my fumbly

Re: [slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-24 Thread Robin Bowes
Jack Coates wrote: dean blackketter wrote: My experience with raid5 was a bad one. I had one drive fail on my linux server and didn't get notified for a long time. Then when I went to add another drive and rebuild, another (of the same vintage) went out. Now, I'm not 100% sure that it

[slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread moby_uk
Raid 5 is great. I have 4x250Gb disks of which 750Gb is useable. I can lose any single disk without data loss. If it fails, I swap the faulty disk with one of equal or greater capacity and it automatically rebuilds (in theory). One nice feature as well is that I can continue to use the system -

[slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread kkitts
jimdibb Wrote: It is much more reliable than a single disk, but for most purposes you should still have backups. [/color] The age-old question for me is how one realy backs up disk arrays this large. Currently, I have a very simple setup a 320G drive in the slimserver. And another

[slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread bklaas
If you are on linux I recommend you take a look at http://rsnapshot.org (discussed on the 'how do you backup...' thread of a few days ago as well) This would be a perfect solution for what you just described, kkitts. Also, FWIW, I'd recommend your backup drive size = primary drive size.

[slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread BillC
kkitts Wrote: The age-old question for me is how one realy backs up disk arrays this large. Yep. I was going to ask about that very thing. What, if anything, are people using to back up a large music library. I have my ripped files on a RAID5 NAS. Backing up to DVD would be a daunting task.

[slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread JJZolx
zano65 Wrote: Hello, i've heard of Raid 5, if someone is using it i would like to have an opinion. Are the disks seen as one disk? It would be easier to browse with the Squeezebox. Is it faster and reliable? I would like to buy a Pci SATA card and 4 300 G° Hdds in the future. It has some

Re: [slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread Jim Dibb
Other disks (bigger, slower) is the primary way at the moment, unless you've done it incrementally over time to smaller media (backing up your library to DVD as you rip it will make the ripping take longer but is much less daunting than doing the same thing after ripping the whole thing) In

[slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread BillC
jimdibb Wrote: For R5 vs. R1, R5 is cheaper and the real reliability is only slightly worse than mirrors (gets worse with wider Raid groups, but also gets cheaper). R1 needs back-ups just as much as R5 does. In the general case I'll agree that R1 needs backups as much as R5. In the

[slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread cjhabs
It's time to pull out the wallet and spring for RAID-10 :-) -- cjhabs cjhabs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3760 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22379

Re: [slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread Jim Dibb
I wasn't referring to write corruption but the chance of simultaneous loss of 2 drives. If you have a drive failure in your R1, it still needs to be replaced and rebuilt before the second drive also fails. 2 drive failure is also what you primarily worry about in R5 systems, but the chance of two

Re: [slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread Jim Dibb
Smiley not withstanding,R10 is neither more reliable nor cheaper than R1. Nor more expensive really. Also, the math from my previous post applies for why it's at all more reliable than R5.Just keeping it real. :) On 3/23/06, cjhabs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time to pull out the wallet and

Re: [slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread Robin Bowes
Jim Dibb wrote: I wasn't referring to write corruption but the chance of simultaneous loss of 2 drives. If you have a drive failure in your R1, it still needs to be replaced and rebuilt before the second drive also fails. 2 drive failure is also what you primarily worry about in R5 systems,

Re: [slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread Robin Bowes
Jim Dibb wrote: Smiley not withstanding, R10 is neither more reliable nor cheaper than R1. Nor more expensive really. Also, the math from my previous post applies for why it's at all more reliable than R5. Actually, it's slightly more reliable. It can withstand the loss of 2 discs (one in

Re: [slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread Jim Dibb
The same applies to the mirror. The surviving drive is under just as much stress during resynching.On 3/23/06, Robin Bowes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Jim Dibb wrote: I wasn't referring to write corruption but the chance of simultaneous loss of 2 drives.If you have a drive failure in your R1, it

Re: [slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread Jim Dibb
The reliability is only per protected set. Which in a R10 still is only 2 drives. Consider per usable capacity.On 3/23/06, Robin Bowes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Jim Dibb wrote: Smiley not withstanding, R10 is neither more reliable nor cheaper than R1.Nor more expensive really.Also, the math from

[slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread gharris999
If you are working in a Windows XP environment, you can play around with software raid 5 by following the recipe here: http://tinyurl.com/lbbh8 This does involve taking a hex editor to a couple of windows system files, but I've had very good luck with this setup. My software raid 5 array easily

Re: [slim] Re: Utility of Raid 5

2006-03-23 Thread dean blackketter
My experience with raid5 was a bad one. I had one drive fail on my linux server and didn't get notified for a long time. Then when I went to add another drive and rebuild, another (of the same vintage) went out. Now, I'm not 100% sure that it wasn't my fumbly fingers that did something