[slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-03 Thread Patrick Cosson
FYI...Slim Devices, along with other emerging technology companies, submitted an Amicus (friend of the court) Brief to the US Supreme Court in defense of the landmark 1984 Betamax ruling. Below you can find an articled from the Associated Press summarizing the case before the court. The brief can

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-03 Thread Sean Adams
Perfect. :) Thanks patrick. On Mar 3, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Patrick Cosson wrote: FYI...Slim Devices, along with other emerging technology companies, submitted an Amicus (friend of the court) Brief to the US Supreme Court in defense of the landmark 1984 Betamax ruling. Below you can find an articled

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-03 Thread Aaron Zinck
"Patrick Cosson" wrote > FYI...Slim Devices, along with other emerging technology companies, > submitted an Amicus (friend of the court) Brief to the US Supreme Court in > defense of the landmark 1984 Betamax ruling. > > Below you can find an articled from the Associated Press summarizing the > ca

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-03 Thread Michael Haan
Because it gets right to the question of whether or not technology can legally exist for making copies of copyrighted material. >From: "Aaron Zinck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Slim Devices Discussion >To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com >Subject: Re: [slim] US Sup

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-03 Thread kdf
final legislation. To me, the very consideration of such a thing is just vile. -kdf > >From: "Aaron Zinck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Slim Devices Discussion > >To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > >Subject: Re: [slim] US Supreme Court > >Date: T

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-03 Thread Todd Fields
--- Aaron Zinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I find this interesting, and while I'm not sure where I stand > with respect > to this case (I don't know enough about it) I don't understand > what > financial/business interest Slim Devices has in this case. > I'm no lawyer > and may be a bit dense

RE: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-03 Thread Jason
> I find this interesting, and while I'm not sure where I stand > with respect to this case (I don't know enough about it) I > don't understand what financial/business interest Slim > Devices has in this case. I'm no lawyer and may be a bit > dense about these types of things, but it seems as

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-03 Thread Ben Klaas
> But it cracks me up > that these companies' even try to pretend that they created > their software for anything other than illegal file sharing (be > it music or other). I get new Linux distros from BitTorrent when they come out. Everything from the Mozilla foundation has a bittorrent link. So,

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-03 Thread Michael Peters
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:55:09 -0600, Ben Klaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But it cracks me up > > that these companies' even try to pretend that they created > > their software for anything other than illegal file sharing (be > > it music or other). > > I get new Linux distros from BitTorre

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-03 Thread Todd Fields
--- Michael Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:55:09 -0600, Ben Klaas > > I get new Linux distros from BitTorrent when they come out. > Everything > > from the Mozilla foundation has a bittorrent link. So, there > are > > definitely non-pirate applications that P2P is good

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-04 Thread Johan Hübner
kdf wrote: There was a recent ruling in Europe (not sure if it was EU-wide) that has decided that copying from one format to another was illegal. This means, if you buy a CD, you can only EVER copy it to another CD. being a european lawyer I have not heard of that ruling, but I can assure you th

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-04 Thread kdf
Quoting Johan Hübner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > kdf wrote: > > > > There was a recent ruling in Europe (not sure if it was EU-wide) that has > > decided that copying from one format to another was illegal. This means, > if > > you buy a CD, you can only EVER copy it to another CD. > > being a europea

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-04 Thread Johan Hübner
kdf wrote: Quoting Johan Hübner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: kdf wrote: There was a recent ruling in Europe (not sure if it was EU-wide) that has decided that copying from one format to another was illegal. This means, if you buy a CD, you can only EVER copy it to another CD. being a european lawyer I ha

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-04 Thread kdf
Quoting Johan Hübner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > kdf wrote: > > Quoting Johan Hübner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > >>kdf wrote: > >> > >>>There was a recent ruling in Europe (not sure if it was EU-wide) that has > >>>decided that copying from one format to another was illegal. This means, > >> > >>if

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-04 Thread Christian Pernegger
I've kept out of this thread until now because most people tend to view my views as a little radical. But here's my cue. as a person who has to perform daily in order to meet demands, [...] A cinema ticket at one of the big movie-houses here costs 8-10 EUR. The same movie on a DVD will set you ba

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-04 Thread Aaron Zinck
I appreciate everyone's responses and am understanding the situation a bit better now. I do think it's time for the music industry to entirely overhaul their cost and distribution structure to be more fair to the artists and the consumers. Something Christian wrote got me thinking and I wanted to

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-04 Thread Christian Pernegger
> The price I have to pay for my entertainment has nothing to do with > the work involved in the first place - so much for artist compensation. This isn't true at all. Certainly the one-time cost and the work that goes into producing a high-quality movie is far greater than the amount that goes

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-05 Thread John L Fjellstad
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 02:57:35PM -0800, kdf wrote: > There was a recent ruling in Europe (not sure if it was EU-wide) that has > decided that copying from one format to another was illegal. This means, if > you buy a CD, you can only EVER copy it to another CD. I got too annoyed > before I co

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-05 Thread kdf
Quoting John L Fjellstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 02:57:35PM -0800, kdf wrote: > > > There was a recent ruling in Europe (not sure if it was EU-wide) that has > > decided that copying from one format to another was illegal. This means, > if > > you buy a CD, you can only EVE

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-05 Thread T
Basically, it's Norway implementing an EU directive they had no say in, that was put into EU law after great lobbying by the recording industry. Of course they had no say in it, as they're not in the EU. But why did they implement it, and in such a manner? Tom

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-05 Thread John L Fjellstad
On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 10:12:35PM +0100, T wrote: > Of course they had no say in it, as they're not in the EU. > > But why did they implement it, and in such a manner? Although Norway is not part of the EU, it is a part of EFTA (which is kinda of a trade block, I guess. Haven't really looked

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-06 Thread T
Although Norway is not part of the EU, it is a part of EFTA Anyways, to get access to the EU's inner marked, EFTA (and their members) agreed to implement EU's laws and directives. Interesting, as we (Switzerland) are also members of EFTA, but I haven't heard of Switzerland implementing such a law.

RE: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-06 Thread Patrick Dixon
The Swiss have always been rebels ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of T Sent: 06 March 2005 08:56 To: Slim Devices Discussion Subject: Re: [slim] US Supreme Court > Although Norway is not part of the EU, it is a part of EFTA > Anywa

Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-06 Thread John L Fjellstad
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 09:55:39AM +0100, T wrote: > >Although Norway is not part of the EU, it is a part of EFTA > >Anyways, to get access to the EU's inner marked, EFTA (and their > >members) agreed to implement EU's laws and directives. > > Interesting, as we (Switzerland) are also members of E

Canada Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-04 Thread Paul_Colley
x27;t use :-). I am not a lawyer; this is not legal advice. - Message from Johan Hübner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:56:37 +0100 - To: Slim Devices Discussion Subject: Re: [slim] US

RE: Canada Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-04 Thread Mike
If I use the Volume Normalizer in WMP 10 will my volume of MP3's be normalized in SlimServer? Thanks, Mike ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss

RE: Canada Re: [slim] US Supreme Court

2005-03-04 Thread Jason
You might want to post this as a new thread, not a continuation of this one. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:05 AM > To: 'Slim Devices Discussion' > Subject: RE: