Re: [ACFUG Discuss] SOT: Do you know any local designers?

2007-01-12 Thread Howard Fore
Try Gillian and Aaron Norrie at Garcan Design. I've worked with both of them in the past and have nothing but good things to say about them. They're local, drop Gillian a line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1/9/07, jonese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone else? -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] SOT: Do you know any local designers?

2007-01-12 Thread Chris C. Cooper
I can co-sign on Garcan, I've used them on an interface design and they did an excellent job. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Fore Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:53 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] SOT: Do

[ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Robert Reil
Starting to get into CF I now am aware that I need to understand things about DB design. Can anyone recommend a good book on how to design a DB? I am learning things about autoincrementing, indexing, datatypes, foreign keys, scripts, etc. I am running MySQL but realize that a MySQL book will

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Shawn . Gorrell
Database Design For Mere Mortals Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/2007 09:45 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Howard Fore
Amen! On 1/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Database Design For Mere Mortals -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gliddy glub gloopy / Nibby nabby noopy / La la la lo lo / Sabba sibby sabba / Nooby abba nabba / Le le lo lo / Tooby ooby walla / Nooby abba naba / Early morning

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Precia
Absolutely! On 1/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Database Design For Mere Mortals Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 *Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/2007 09:45 AM

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Teddy Payne
MySQL Crash Course (Sams Teach Yourself in 10 Minutes) by Ben Forta On 1/12/07, Precia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely! On 1/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Database Design For Mere Mortals Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Robert Reil
Shawn, and others: Thanks, your unanimous agreement cinches it as the next book after finishing the WACK 3 months from now. I remember Shawn sharing that this was the book in the past but I forgot the name. I am now ready to buy. Dean: Thanks for the additional words. I will also get SQL for

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Shawn . Gorrell
My copy is on loan somewhere or I'd offer it. I've got more programming books than God and would be totally willing to put them in a loaner program. Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Teddy Payne
I recommend Safari Books Online. For $19/mon you can check out 10 books out at a time. For $40/mon, you get unlimited access. www.safaribooksonline.com The books are virtual and you read them online. I have several friends using it and it saves them a lot of money when they jsut want to read

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Teddy Payne
By the way, the ..Mere Mortals book is in their library. Teddy On 1/12/07, Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend Safari Books Online. For $19/mon you can check out 10 books out at a time. For $40/mon, you get unlimited access. www.safaribooksonline.com The books are virtual

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Charlie Arehart
Yes, the primer to get is Ben's Teach Yourself SQL in 10 minutes. Can't say enough good words about it (indeed, no more than my review I did back in 2000 which is still the spotlight review at Amazon), and it's a very slim book at just about $10. It's now in its 3rd edition, but even the first

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Robert Reil
Wouldnt that be more command line though? I hate command line. I feel Navicat and for that matter MySQL Admin's GUI is consice enough to not have to learn the MySQL command line. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Robert Reil
I was thinking of having that for pocket refference anyhow. Heck for $10 it's a no brainer. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From:

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Robert Reil
What is this a bunch of PDF's? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/ _ From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL

[ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.

2007-01-12 Thread Robert Reil
Granted... But what about the fact that it takes lots of time to learn another way to do the same thing versus the time it takes to just navigate to the click. I am a business man working IN a business trying to find what precious little time I can to work ON the business, so that one day the

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Douglas Knudsen
I get access to safari books via netG from my employeer. It really RawkS! Robert, safarionline books are in html format, they don't want you to go and print them yourself, eh? DK On 1/12/07, Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend Safari Books Online. For $19/mon you can check

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DB Design Book Reccomendations?

2007-01-12 Thread Howard Fore
So true. Celko's books (and columns available online, do some Googling) are great, but they're not for beginners. On 1/12/07, Dean H. Saxe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, its not a primer at all. Get comfortable with SQL. Then get guru status by reading and understanding Celko's book. Its not

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.

2007-01-12 Thread Teddy Payne
Robert, If your goal is to be purely a business man, you will eventually seperate yourself from the technology and have a person or team handle this for you. As you are in the initial phases of this endeavor, you need to evaluate the time it takes to grow the business with technology versus the

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.

2007-01-12 Thread Teddy Payne
Caveat: If I refer to anything as he or him without having the analagous she or her, most of generalities are meant to be unisex and gender aganostic. Apologies in advance, Teddy On 1/12/07, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my book, it's a tradeoff between knowing exactly what you

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.

2007-01-12 Thread Robert Reil
Great Words Teddy!!! I will have to digest that for a while I do see that the quality between whats in my mind and what the developer eventually ends up with may be a big gray area that will have to be over come. But for now I am still learning how to communicate this. I realize that I need

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.

2007-01-12 Thread Robert Reil
Good point Howard. cfnoob responce=sigh thought=when will it end cfoutput TAKE A DEEP BREATH cfnoob /cfoutput Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.

2007-01-12 Thread Gerrey . Mary-Catherine
I think by now, most of us gals have figured that one out. Unless you are some traditionalguy that expects dinner on the table when he gets home; which I don't think applies to you. :)mcg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: discussion@acfug.orgFrom: Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent by: [EMAIL

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.

2007-01-12 Thread Robert Reil
LOL. Go teddy, go teddy, go teddy Come on guys cheer him on! Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/ _ From:

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning curve vs best allocation of time vs money.

2007-01-12 Thread Teddy Payne
*chuckle* Thanks Robert. If there is a need to continue this, we can move it over to the community list to spare folks the banter of me trying to be self effacing. Teddy On 1/12/07, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL. Go teddy, go teddy, go teddy Come on guys cheer him on!