Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread William Evans
And furthermore about unconscionable behavior, I remember a post about Chrome by Doug Knudsen pointing out the user agreement stating automatic update, regardless whether or not you wanted the update. I always delay updates so the bugs will be found and corrected before I put my computers at r

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread William Evans
With these postings in mind, have you checked and/or removed your Flash cookies? If Adobe methods upset you before, the Flash cookies may send you over the top. Google Adobe Flash cookies to learn all of the points you should be concerned about. Go to the following link to review your invasive F

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Peyton Todd wrote: > I'm sure many of you feel I'm making a mountain of a molehill, but I still > think the principle is important. > The easiest solution to this is not to install Flash. I use Chrome as my browser (which has Flash pre-bundled) and keep it turne

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread Vishal Warikoo
Erre --Original Message-- From: shawn gorrell To: discussion@acfug.org ReplyTo: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior Sent: Mar 14, 2012 10:01 AM Peyton, there is nothing new about them bundling crap with Flash and Acrobat. They have done so for

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread Peyton Todd
In my view we can rank order degrees of deceptiveness as follows: Bad: Pre-checked box one can easily overlook Worse: Telling you what's going on only after (or during) the fact, when it's too late to stop it (as happened in this case, although it's fixed now) Worst: Never telling you at all.

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread shawn gorrell
Peyton, there is nothing new about them bundling crap with Flash and Acrobat. They have done so for years, and the default is that it is checked to install. I've accidentally installed it before in haste, and went back an uninstalled it. I don't care for the practice either, but it is hardly dec

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread Peyton Todd
Even taking my time would not have worked yesterday. It simply went ahead with both installs without giving me an opportunity to say No even if I had waited all day. If even went so far as to install McAfee before it did Flash. And during this process there was no Cancel button anywhere on the s

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread Peyton Todd
I just tried it again and was told again I had to install the latest Flash Player, which is odd since I had already done so yesterday, but putting that aside, the point of interest is that this time I experienced the same behavior you did, namely the pre-checked box signaling agreement to instal

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread John Mason
They use the promote Google toolbar for several years, it's simply McAfee now. It's always a good idea to take your time when installing something on your computer. John On 3/14/12 9:31 AM, Clint Willard wrote: Ah ha. I disabled Flash in FF and made it ask me to install Flash. It does take

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread Clint Willard
Ah ha. I disabled Flash in FF and made it ask me to install Flash. It does take you to the Adobe site to install Flash and it does "ask" if you want to install McAfee with a check box defaulted to checked. Simply uncheck it. Your working too fast man, slow down and notice the check boxes, it's stan

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread Andrew Powell
I think you're getting a bit too worked up. Simply uninstall it and move on. Obviously it bothered you enough to craft an email about it, but is it really a big deal? Just uninstall McAfee and be done with it. On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Peyton Todd wrote: > The website is the one at the

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread Peyton Todd
A footnote: It certainly depends on when one downloads the latest version of Flash. One of my computers must already have it, since on that computer I was able to go straight to the website with no problem. It was only on a second computer that I had the problem, so the fact that neither of us h

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread Peyton Todd
The website is the one at the url below: http://www.kodakgallery.com/gallery/creativeapps/slideShow/Main.jsp;jsessionid=F0820D54374464EDF158A9C6740AB907.ecom303_main?sourceId=533754321803&cm_mmc=Share-_-Personal-_-Email-_-Sharee-_-Images&token=7319175931105%3A201251901&_requestid=122667 And if i

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread Clint Willard
"Yesterday I went to a website" - What web site? Did it take you to Adobe for real. It seem possible for someone to make an installer with flash to include a copy of something else, not sure. If so, it probably has an affiliate tracking attached to make them money when you "hopefully" buy it. If "a

[ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

2012-03-14 Thread Peyton Todd
Hello all, Can anyone please instruct me on how best to complain to Adobe about a loathsome practice I have just experienced? (Or perhaps, as their official representative, you, Josh, can do this for me?) Yesterday I went to a website, and was told I had to download the latest version of Fl