Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB

2007-01-19 Thread Steven Ross
ED] 01/18/2007 03:46 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Just to be clear the security aspect is of no issue here. I am not interested in doing this for security. I agree with those who have posted about the co

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2007-01-18 Thread Derrick Peavy
Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 Derrick Peavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/18/2007 03:46 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Just

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2007-01-18 Thread Shawn . Gorrell
ile system? You're already having to do a DB lookup to know what to retrieve--that's the crucial difference between "page furniture" and data. But whatever. Josh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB

2007-01-18 Thread Derrick Peavy
eady having to do a DB lookup to know what to retrieve--that's the crucial difference between "page furniture" and data. But whatever. Josh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:50 PM To: discussion@acfug.org S

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2007-01-18 Thread Josh Adams
m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Honestly, there's not really a benefit per se. There might be a rare case now and then for doing this, but rea

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2007-01-18 Thread Josh Adams
On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:13 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB in this case I'd suggest implementing J2EE container security. You can secure any resource this way. DK On 1/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTEC

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2007-01-18 Thread Douglas Knudsen
h* Tommy *cough* mcg *John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/18/2007 02:49 PM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB I agree that with strict image security it is an option. Give

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2007-01-18 Thread Gerrey . Mary-Catherine
rsday, January 18, 2007 2:42 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Not true--there can be a benefits: data management & security. Derrick started this whole discussion on the BlueDragon Interest list. I guess he brought it here because no one could tell him

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2007-01-18 Thread Gerrey . Mary-Catherine
ussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Right--so to be clear Derrick is looking to not use the tag but to instead use some other mechanism such that the image isn't a separate file that is referenced (as is the case with the tag) but is act

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2007-01-18 Thread John Mason
ED] On Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Honestly, there's not really a benefit per se. There might be a rare case now and then for doing this, but really you should probably just use the fil

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2007-01-18 Thread Josh Adams
2007 10:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Honestly, there's not really a benefit per se. There might be a rare case now and then for doing this, but really you should probably just use the filesystem for what it's design for, storing files. J

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2007-01-18 Thread Josh Adams
se? Josh _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Peavy Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:24 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Douglas, yep. You nailed it. _ Derrick Peavy Sales and Web Services

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2007-01-18 Thread Derrick Peavy
going to change anything there and the end client browser really for the most part doesn't care. John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fennell, Mark P. Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:07 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image

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2007-01-18 Thread Douglas Knudsen
e most part doesn't care. John -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of *Fennell, Mark P. *Sent:* Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:07 PM *To:* discussion@acfug.org *Subject:* RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from

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2007-01-18 Thread Derrick Peavy
't care. John From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fennell, Mark P. Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:07 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Additionally, I think HTTP 1.1 allows connection keep-alives so that you only make o

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2007-01-18 Thread John Mason
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fennell, Mark P. Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:07 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Additionally, I think HTTP 1.1 allows connection keep-alives so that you only make one http call for the entire page.

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2007-01-18 Thread Fennell, Mark P.
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Don't get me wrong, I understand it's an experiement and it's fun to try. 1. You're not actually reducing your http requests. <-- My main point with this. 3. You can save the image data in the database as a BLOB and output it onto

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2007-01-18 Thread Fennell, Mark P.
g.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB Kindly, and with respect to everyone that replied: 1. As I stated, the goal is to reduce http requests, not file sizes. And "this is an experiment," please forgive, but the "Why" of why I want to do this is not part of the answer.

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2007-01-18 Thread John Mason
CTED] Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:16 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB I believe there would still be three http requests here. The images would still be called up in the html like right? Sorry but in http that would still

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2007-01-18 Thread Derrick Peavy
f Of John Mason Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:16 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB I believe there would still be three http requests here. The images would still be called up in the html like right? Sorry but in http that would still create seper

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2007-01-18 Thread Teddy Payne
mf -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *John Mason *Sent:* Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:16 AM *To:* discussion@acfug.org *Subject:* RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB I believe there would still be three http requests here. The images would still be

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2007-01-18 Thread John Mason
ll, Mark P. Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:22 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB I'm just curious. What are the benefits of storing the image in the db rather than storing the file on the filesystem and the path in the db? I mean, for a web page, all

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2007-01-18 Thread Gerrey . Mary-Catherine
"Consider it an experiment - I know that it may seem a bit silly." "Fennell, Mark P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/18/2007 10:21 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB

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2007-01-18 Thread Fennell, Mark P.
esn't display images with such ease, but for a web app...? Thanks. mf -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:16 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Image from DB I believe t

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2007-01-18 Thread John Mason
I believe there would still be three http requests here. The images would still be called up in the html like right? Sorry but in http that would still create seperate http requests. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Pea

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2007-01-18 Thread Shawn . Gorrell
And the point of doing this is? You wouldn't be saving any real bandwidth by doing it in a single request. The size of the data is the size of the data, regardless of the number of requests. You'd just be saving requests. Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve B