Re: [Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
[adding list back on CC] On 22.04.2015 16:11, Christoph Schmitt wrote: Am 2015-04-22 12:59, schrieb M.-A. Lemburg: On 22.04.2015 12:38, Robert Collins wrote: On 22 April 2015 at 22:13, Christoph Schmitt dev-maili...@gongy.de wrote: Hello again, since I haven't got any replies yet I'm trying

Re: [Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread Robert Collins
On 23 April 2015 at 03:09, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: [adding list back on CC] On 22.04.2015 16:11, Christoph Schmitt wrote: Am 2015-04-22 12:59, schrieb M.-A. Lemburg: On 22.04.2015 12:38, Robert Collins wrote: That would apply also if namespace_packages would be ignored

Re: [Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 22.04.2015 21:08, Robert Collins wrote: On 23 April 2015 at 03:09, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: [adding list back on CC] On 22.04.2015 16:11, Christoph Schmitt wrote: Am 2015-04-22 12:59, schrieb M.-A. Lemburg: On 22.04.2015 12:38, Robert Collins wrote: That would apply also

Re: [Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread Chris Barker
A note from the peanut gallery: I like the idea of namepace packages, but every time I've tried to use them, I've been stymied -- maybe this PEP will solve that, but... First - the issues: - It somehow seems like a lot of work, details to get right, and more-than-one-way-to-do-it. But maybe

Re: [Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread Donald Stufft
On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Chris Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote: A note from the peanut gallery: I like the idea of namepace packages, but every time I've tried to use them, I've been stymied -- maybe this PEP will solve that, but... First - the issues: - It somehow seems

Re: [Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread Eric V. Smith
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/22/2015 08:31 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Chris Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov mailto:chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote: A note from the peanut gallery: I like the idea of namepace packages, but every time I've

Re: [Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread Robert Collins
On 23 April 2015 at 08:16, Eric V. Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote: On 04/22/2015 03:25 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 22.04.2015 21:08, Robert Collins wrote: So - pip would have to a) detect both styles of package, b) automatically install all installed-but-wrong-style versions to match the site

Re: [Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread Robert Collins
On 23 April 2015 at 07:25, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 22.04.2015 21:08, Robert Collins wrote: I don't think support mixed setups is really a practical option. Either the namespace package is legacy all the way, or it isn't and uses PEP 420. Wouldn't it be possible for

Re: [Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 23, 2015, at 07:08 AM, Robert Collins wrote: PEP-420 and legacy packages being mixed for one namespace doesn't work at all today - in principle fixable via changes to both setuptools and importlib - but it was about here that the other openstack folk said 'ok wow, lets just stop using

Re: [Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread Eric V. Smith
On 04/22/2015 03:25 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 22.04.2015 21:08, Robert Collins wrote: So - pip would have to a) detect both styles of package, b) automatically install all installed-but-wrong-style versions to match the site installed ones. And if any of the packages in the namespace only

[Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread Christoph Schmitt
Hello again, since I haven't got any replies yet I'm trying to make myself a bit more precise now. I consider the behaviour described in my original posting a bug. I posted to this list because the setuptools docs say Please use the distutils-sig mailing list [3] for questions and discussion

Re: [Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread Robert Collins
On 22 April 2015 at 22:13, Christoph Schmitt dev-maili...@gongy.de wrote: Hello again, since I haven't got any replies yet I'm trying to make myself a bit more precise now. I consider the behaviour described in my original posting a bug. I posted to this list because the setuptools docs say

Re: [Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 22.04.2015 12:38, Robert Collins wrote: On 22 April 2015 at 22:13, Christoph Schmitt dev-maili...@gongy.de wrote: Hello again, since I haven't got any replies yet I'm trying to make myself a bit more precise now. I consider the behaviour described in my original posting a bug. I posted to

Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] Python 3.x Adoption for PyPI and PyPI Download Numbers

2015-04-22 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:55 AM Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: Just thought I'd share this since it shows how what people are using to download things from PyPI have changed over the past year. Of particular interest to most people will be the final graphs showing what percentage of

Re: [Distutils] Proper handling of PEP420 namespace packages with setuptools and pip

2015-04-22 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 22 April 2015 at 22:13, Christoph Schmitt dev-maili...@gongy.de wrote: Hello again, since I haven't got any replies yet I'm trying to make myself a bit more precise now. I consider the behaviour