Re: [Distutils] Retrieval of python PKG-INFO data for installed packages

2010-11-17 Thread Tres Seaver
' The package provides a same-named shell script for doing those queries at the command line: $ ../../bin/pkginfo docs/examples/mypackage-0.1.tar.gz metadata_version: 1.0 name: mypackage version: 0.1 platforms: [u'UNKNOWN'] home_page: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pkginfo author: Tres Seaver

Re: [Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-10-28 Thread Tres Seaver
size is 800Mb under UCS4, compared to 600Mb under UCS2). Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-10-28 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/2010 04:50 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Oct 28, 2010, at 02:02 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: I like the idea in general, but worry that some conflicts may not be resolvable. For instance, I don't know what goal drives system packagers

Re: [Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-10-28 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/2010 05:54 PM, Benji York wrote: On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: Heh, untar + CMMI into a non-system prefix works for me. ;) +1 with the small addition of after making sure the dev dependencies

Re: [Distutils] GCC versions and binary egg names

2010-07-28 Thread Tres Seaver
, please!). What are the future plans in this area? Denying-a-problem-with-the-status-quo'ly ;), Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp

Re: [Distutils] `setup.py register` can't create PyPI account.

2010-07-12 Thread Tres Seaver
is a valid requirement: you can't just wish it away by saying We didn't use to have to do that. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp

Re: [Distutils] Packaging situation + mailing list rules

2010-07-03 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] Packaging situation + mailing list rules

2010-07-03 Thread Tres Seaver
that nothing about this is criticism of the choice to fork, or any work you and others have done on distrbute, the PEPs, distutils2, etc. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion

[Distutils] setuptools' Feature feature

2010-07-02 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] How to force installing setuptools instead of distribute ?

2010-07-01 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] Unexpected error python setup.py install_data --root /tmp

2010-05-28 Thread Tres Seaver
/local, and tmp is writable by anyone, The issue is that distutils is ignoring the '--root' passed to 'install_data'. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence

Re: [Distutils] pkginfo python 3 port

2010-05-28 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Barry Warsaw wrote: On May 27, 2010, at 08:59 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: On May 27, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote: Is there a way to parse a RFC 822 message in Python 3? If it's ASCII, you should have no problems

Re: [Distutils] pkginfo python 3 port

2010-05-27 Thread Tres Seaver
822\n header.' email_msg.get('Description') 'this is a multiline RFC 822\n header.' Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp

Re: [Distutils] [buildout] extending a .cfg supplied by another package

2010-05-17 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Withers wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: project://some.project/aconfig.cfg I'd propose egg://some.dotted.name/config.cfg I think egg:some.dotted.name#config.cfg would be clearer: the hierarchical URL form is misleading. How so? The .cfg

Re: [Distutils] [buildout] extending a .cfg supplied by another package

2010-05-14 Thread Tres Seaver
': {'buildout.cfg': './buildout.cfg', 'develop.cfg': './develop.cfg'}, } ) perhaps with a fallback to searching in the root directory of the egg for unregistered files. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429

Re: [Distutils] [sqlalchemy] Re: inability to pass setup.py command line arguments to dependency setups

2010-05-10 Thread Tres Seaver
-extensions'. Problem solved. :) That is effectivaly what the extras bit in setuptools does[ http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/setuptools#declaring-extras-optional-features-with-their-own-dependencies Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver

Re: [Distutils] setuptools --tag-revision poposed feature

2010-05-02 Thread Tres Seaver
the plugin used to get setuptools to recognize your under versino control files with Mercurial, e.g. http://pypi.python.org/pypi/hg.setuptools or: http://bitbucket.org/jezdez/setuptools_hg/wiki/Home Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver

Re: [Distutils] setuptools --tag-revision poposed feature

2010-05-02 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manlio Perillo wrote: Tres Seaver ha scritto: Manlio Perillo wrote: Hi. Currently setuptools only support a ``tag-svn-revision`` option. However I use Mercurial, and I would like to tag hg revisions. [...] I don't know if setuptools is still

Re: [Distutils] PEP 376 Status

2010-03-29 Thread Tres Seaver
as equal animals: - http://packages.python.org/pkginfo - http://packages.python.org/compoze Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp

Re: [Distutils] How to specific metadata version in setup.py?

2010-03-20 Thread Tres Seaver
distutils2 to parse PKG-INFO (as a replacement for the `pkginfo` project)? Will it read all the fields despite the inaccurate Metadata-Version field? I haven't looked at 'distutils2' yet. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540

Re: [Distutils] How to specific metadata version in setup.py?

2010-03-20 Thread Tres Seaver
not likely to get around to adding them myself for a bit. $ bzr co lp:~tseaver/pkginfo/trunk :) Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp

Re: [Distutils] [buildout] How to configure python interpreter to use it with Google Appengine?

2010-03-20 Thread Tres Seaver
the GAE eggs installed here. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU

Re: [Distutils] [buildout] How to configure python interpreter to use it with Google Appengine?

2010-03-20 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] [buildout] How to configure python interpreter to use it with Google Appengine?

2010-03-20 Thread Tres Seaver
/google_appengine/lib/django .../parts/google_appengine/lib/ipaddr .../parts/google_appengine/lib/webob .../parts/google_appengine/lib/yaml/lib Thanks again for the help! Glad that worked! Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540

[Distutils] [issue102] setuptools-0.6c11 regression in package_index.PackageIndex.fetch_distribution

2010-02-22 Thread Tres Seaver
New submission from Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com: package_index.PackageIndex.fetch_distribution changed between 0.6c9 and 0.6c11, adding some logging, and returning a clone of the found distribution. However, the new code neglects to check that the dist is not None before cloning

[Distutils] [issue103] develop command needs a way to install extra requirements

2010-02-22 Thread Tres Seaver
New submission from Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com: When running 'python setup.py develop', it would be useful to install one (or more) of the 'extra' requirements for the package-under-development. The attached patch allows installing one at a time: I don't have the options fu to make

Re: [Distutils] Building a platform-independent dist?

2010-02-09 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] nailed-down versions by having custom index

2010-02-02 Thread Tres Seaver
and buildout.dumppickedversions and KGS lists, so I need to reset my thinking on this a little. I need some input :-) Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp

Re: [Distutils] [Catalog-sig] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-08 Thread Tres Seaver
have to say about it. :-) /me longs for a wheel of Cheddar to go with his XML parser. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Tres Seaver
distributions of a project, each sharing the same version. Some PyPI metadata is specific to a release, rather than a project. Every release has at least one distribution. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429

Re: [Distutils] current preferred way to specify dependencies? future?

2010-01-06 Thread Tres Seaver
), you will be able to pass similar keyword arguments directly to the distutils, or (even better) spell them in some declarative file which the distutils reads. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea

Re: [Distutils] Python people want CPAN and how the latter came about

2009-12-24 Thread Tres Seaver
, but it is certainly part of the historical use of the cheeseshop. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [Distutils] Python people want CPAN and how the latter came about

2009-12-24 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] Python people want CPAN and how the latter came about

2009-12-24 Thread Tres Seaver
on users' pubkeys to limit what that key can be used to do (only SVN / CVS operations for any non-admin users). Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Design

Re: [Distutils] install_requires vs requires

2009-12-16 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] Problem with buildout and zc.recipe.cmmi

2009-12-11 Thread Tres Seaver
environment? E.g., check you your buildout, run bootstrap, then buildout? How about if you pin zc.buildout to 1.4.2? Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Design

Re: [Distutils] Common version-comparison semantics for peace love and harmony

2009-11-28 Thread Tres Seaver
doing this? Branches / tags for stable / old release lines are often created after tags for the current / testing / trunk lines: creation time is not a relevant comparator there. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999

Re: [Distutils] PEP 345 update + RFC on Requires-External and Requires-Python

2009-11-17 Thread Tres Seaver
, and should *not* be doing any enforcement / normalization / mapping of its values. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com

Re: [Distutils] PEP 345 update + RFC on Requires-External and Requires-Python

2009-11-17 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tarek Ziadé wrote: near none. I don't see much point in a field for this feature: that's a typical

Re: [Distutils] PEP 345 update + RFC on Requires-External and Requires-Python

2009-11-17 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tarek Ziadé wrote: near none. I don't see much point in a field for this feature: that's a typical

Re: [Distutils] PEP 345 update + RFC on Requires-External and Requires-Python

2009-11-17 Thread Tres Seaver
PKG-INFO. I'm fine with removing any mandate for a registry from the PEP. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN

Re: [Distutils] PEP 345 update + RFC on Requires-External and Requires-Python

2009-11-17 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tarek Ziadé wrote: That's why I said that 100% of the information could stay in PKG-INFO

Re: [Distutils] PEP 345 update + RFC on Requires-External and Requires-Python

2009-11-16 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] PEP 345 update + RFC on Requires-External and Requires-Python

2009-11-16 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tres Seaver wrote: M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Tarek Ziadé wrote: Values could be things like libxslt, libpng, etc.. Am I right in understanding this as informational field only ? Yes. The primary consumers will be OS packagers, who will map them

Re: [Distutils] Making a tar.gz source distribution

2009-11-16 Thread Tres Seaver
to make a tarball / zipfile, rather than using the perfectly good stdlib modules. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com

Re: [Distutils] Making a tar.gz source distribution

2009-11-16 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ram Rachum wrote: I'm trying to make a tar.gz source distribution. I saw in the docs that a tar program

Re: [Distutils] Install time prefixes and data files

2009-11-13 Thread Tres Seaver
). Static metadata, anyone? Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU

Re: [Distutils] Improving distutils vs redesigning it (was people want CPAN)

2009-11-12 Thread Tres Seaver
call the new thing distutils, we get to keep 100% backward compatibility for free: people can begin switching to the new thing incrementally / opportunistically, but their existing code doesn't blow up. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver

Re: [Distutils] Looking for portable what to determine directory where extensions are installed?

2009-11-11 Thread Tres Seaver
/python2.5/site-packages /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages /usr/local/lib/python2.5 /usr/local/lib/python2.5 I don't have access to a 64-bit box where the right answer would be '/usr/lib64/python2.x'. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver

[Distutils] zc.buildout bootstrap errors

2009-11-02 Thread Tres Seaver
version first, using 'easy_install -U setuptools'. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [Distutils] zc.buildout and site-packages

2009-10-22 Thread Tres Seaver
the global one, whichstill highly recommended: I build my own Python, and then use a separate virtualenv for each project. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence

Re: [Distutils] [RFC] PEP 345 and PEP 386 updates

2009-10-21 Thread Tres Seaver
-2.12.0.tar.gz $ tar xfvz Zope2-2.12.0.tar.gz $ cd Zope2-2.12.0 $ /path/to/your/python bootstrap/bootstrap.py $ bin/buildout Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software

Re: [Distutils] [RFC] Recentering the static metadata need : PKG-INFO

2009-10-16 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] [venv] Re: two questions about virtualenv

2009-10-16 Thread Tres Seaver
by the environment they are run in, which is why we need buildbots (or the equivalent) for each supported platform. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Design

Re: [Distutils] Buildbot throwing a gear after default setup?

2009-10-16 Thread Tres Seaver
source, that's why it's a bug ;-). You need to install package contains the headers for zlib in your OS / distro: Python conditionally compiles in zlib support based on whether it can find the .h file. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver

Re: [Distutils] Buildbot throwing a gear after default setup?

2009-10-16 Thread Tres Seaver
=Ubuntu 9.04 $ apt-cache search zlib | grep ^zlib.*dev zlib1g-dbg - compression library - development zlib1g-dev - compression library - development Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com

Re: [Distutils] Future namespace support

2009-10-14 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] distribute and buildout: best practices?

2009-10-13 Thread Tres Seaver
to declare that it depends on setuptools. Note that if I depend on distribute, I also get warnings about not having a setuptools depencency sometimes... :-) Likewise. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea

Re: [Distutils] why would you ever need to specify setuptools as a dependency?

2009-10-13 Thread Tres Seaver
. Why? Nobody will check / enforce / understand what 'install_requires' even means except setuptools / distribute. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Design

Re: [Distutils] dev versions

2009-10-13 Thread Tres Seaver
the context of the ZTK. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment

Re: [Distutils] PEP 390 - new format from setup.cfg

2009-10-13 Thread Tres Seaver
don't feel like I can judge the syntax without considering the full semantics of the configuration file, because the semantics drive the actual use cases which should in turn be used to judge the syntax). - -- === Tres Seaver

Re: [Distutils] the virtualenv-distribute mess

2009-10-12 Thread Tres Seaver
now be using the distribute distribution... Are you being wilfully ignorant here, Chris? he BDFL doesn't control setuptools, because it is a *third party package*. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea

Re: [Distutils] Package install failures in 2.6.3 - setuptools vs Distribute

2009-10-06 Thread Tres Seaver
in Python, period). Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux

Re: [Distutils] [buildout] is there a way to force re-install of a part?

2009-09-24 Thread Tres Seaver
/djangopart; bin/buildout Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux

Re: [Distutils] setup.cfg new format proposal

2009-09-18 Thread Tres Seaver
generated by the 'sdist', 'develop' and 'bdist_egg' commenads, and can even introspect installed packages on Python 2.6.x. It is documented here: http://packages.python.org/pkginfo/ Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429

Re: [Distutils] Problem installing setuptools under virtual python environment

2009-09-17 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] Progress on the first distribute release

2009-07-20 Thread Tres Seaver
the name is spelled). See for instance: http://packages.python.org/repoze.urispace/ Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com

Re: [Distutils] [Distribute] What versions should we support?

2009-07-20 Thread Tres Seaver
story about how you think people will be able to install that standalone version without manually hacking up their /usr/lib/python2.x/ directories. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com

Re: [Distutils] easy_install MySQL_python error

2009-07-08 Thread Tres Seaver
for the 'mysql_config' utility to be on the PATH when you run the script: if the utility doesn't exist, that would indicate that you need to install the MySQL client libraries for your system. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429

Re: [Distutils] RFC PEP 386 : Version comparisons

2009-07-05 Thread Tres Seaver
a version comparison tool. I don't understand why we can't just settle on the reduced set: the exotic cases aren't supported today (in distutils), and are mappable onto the verlib case with some effort. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver

Re: [Distutils] RFC PEP 386 : Version comparisons

2009-07-04 Thread Tres Seaver
version is free and dist_name in [a-zA-Z0-9] 2- let's drop PEP 386 completely - -1. I would rather exclude some use cases (post releases), than drop standardization altogether. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999

Re: [Distutils] version scheme: a case for dropping .devNNN and .postNNN

2009-06-14 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] version scheme: a case for dropping .devNNN and .postNNN

2009-06-11 Thread Tres Seaver
proposal here is to move the whole build_number topic out of the PEP 386 (which is about versioning), and into PEP 345 (whichadds dependencies on distributions to PKG_INFO). Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999

Re: [Distutils] setuptools and py3k

2009-06-08 Thread Tres Seaver
the first step of a python3 port there need to be changes to the setuptools sources to be able to actually use the translated sources. Great work. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com

Re: [Distutils] [issue73] setup.py --name prints warning messages to stdout, rather than stderr

2009-05-31 Thread Tres Seaver
issues about spew to standard pipes). Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

2009-05-09 Thread Tres Seaver
done a lot of the gardening to get the project site up and useful: http://www.buildout.org/ Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

2009-05-07 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

2009-05-06 Thread Tres Seaver
case. That seems easier than providing a whole new notion. I'm actually a big fan of the ':', because it makes explicit the difference between the import and the named thing, even for module-scoped names. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver

Re: [Distutils] RFC : Version comparison

2009-04-27 Thread Tres Seaver
method. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using

Re: [Distutils] The problem with Setuptools on Python 3.

2009-04-21 Thread Tres Seaver
is primarily about building software. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6

Re: [Distutils] Questionnaire: Why do you use setuptools?

2009-04-18 Thread Tres Seaver
their names. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using

Re: [Distutils] How to make easy_install handle platlibs?

2009-04-15 Thread Tres Seaver
tarball generated by the 'sdist' command (PJE spelled out what is special about them). Manually-created source tarballs don't have the layout / metadata which makes automating their installation feasible. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver

Re: [Distutils] RFC: Updating PEP 345

2009-04-12 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 11, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: BBB concerns often trump TOOWTDI. Sure, but there's no BBB concern here -- unless we create one. Your desire to preserve the 'install_requires' argument feels like a backward

Re: [Distutils] RFC: Updating PEP 345

2009-04-11 Thread Tres Seaver
. What would be the problem with having both sets work and not deprecate either? (ie: make them synonyms of each other?) It violates toowtdi. BBB concerns often trump TOOWTDI. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999

Re: [Distutils] RFC: Updating PEP 345

2009-04-10 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 9, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: ... I have backed off on the notion of overloading 'Requires

Re: [Distutils] RFC: Updating PEP 345

2009-04-10 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marius Gedminas wrote: On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:19:13AM -0400, Tres Seaver wrote: There is one more new argument to setup() we should consider, which might be spelled 'build_requires', and which would map onto the 'Requires-External' PKG-INFO

[Distutils] RFC: Updating PEP 345

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] Distutils changes - end user requirements (Was: Deprecate MANIFEST.in)

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
users: such packages normally need a Windows-savvy contributor to do the installer build, which often lags the 'sdist' release by a noticeable period. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com

Re: [Distutils] RFC: Updating PEP 345

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] RFC: Updating PEP 345

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] RFC: Updating PEP 345

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
, but there is no practical way to *use* them in any automated way. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [Distutils] Distutils changes - end user requirements (Was: Deprecate MANIFEST.in)

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Moore wrote: 2009/4/9 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com: Is there a technical reason why Windows users cannot build the installers themselves from pure Python sdists? I would rather distribute *no* binaries at all, myself, especially if self

Re: [Distutils] RFC: Updating PEP 345

2009-04-09 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 9, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: ... I have backed off on the notion of overloading 'Requires:' / 'Provides:' / 'Obsoletes:', following Jim's notion of deprecating them in favor of new fields. I named them

Re: [Distutils] Deprecate MANIFEST.in

2009-04-08 Thread Tres Seaver
#3, myself, but I have no problem with it being available as an option for the VCS-averse. It should probably use the same deltas model as in #2a. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com

Re: [Distutils] short circuiting module lookups

2009-04-08 Thread Tres Seaver
the zip is faster meme comes from the case of a single monolithic zip archive (e.g., the whole stdlib, or all the Zope eggs, in one file). Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion

Re: [Distutils] Plugins for the MANIFEST file

2009-04-08 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] Deprecate MANIFEST.in

2009-04-07 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] Deprecate MANIFEST.in

2009-04-06 Thread Tres Seaver
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Re: [Distutils] Deprecate MANIFEST.in

2009-04-06 Thread Tres Seaver
-VCS-controleld files in an sdist is an anti-usecase for me. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [Distutils] Deprecate MANIFEST.in

2009-04-06 Thread Tres Seaver
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