On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed,
2010/3/29 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com:
[..]
It is really hard to follow. You should at least change subjects when
switching topic.
I was talking about the work going on and the decisions taken lately.
I never change topics of threads mails when there's less than 100 mails,
because I
2010/3/29 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:19 PM,
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Carl Meyer c...@dirtcircle.com wrote:
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I am thinking about a version of pip that would be built on the top of
distutils2,
AFAICR
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Carl Meyer c...@dirtcircle.com wrote:
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I am thinking about a
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Carl Meyer c...@dirtcircle.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:59 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder if there are many people here who don't use some kind of
easy_install package for package management in their Python /
virtualenv installations? I propose to include at least one such
package that is
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
Distutils2 is planned to be reintegrated in the stdlib in Python 3.3,
and my goal is to release it when Python 2.7 final is released.
Does that means after Python 2.7, because I meant it to be before
or at least with?
Sure. Package management tool should have an ability to update itself when
required regardless of Python release. For example::
python.exe -m easy_install setuptools
This should be:
python -m easy_install -U setuptools
P.S. Wave effect. =)
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anatoly t.
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:20 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
Distutils2 is planned to be reintegrated in the stdlib in Python 3.3,
and my goal is to release it when Python 2.7 final is released.
Does
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
The open question is: do we want to include a full installer that
takes care of installing / removing dependencies as well ?
I think not. Pip already provides this feature on the top of distutils
(and distutils2 later I
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Darren Dale dsdal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
The open question is: do we want to include a full installer that
takes care of installing / removing dependencies as well ?
I think not. Pip
Hi Tarek,
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Darren Dale dsdal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
The open question is: do we want to include a full installer
anatoly techtonik wrote:
If it is impossible to ship the whole package management system then
at least Python distribution may carry small bootstrap script for it.
When user tries to execute package management tools, it warns him
that these are not installed and gives a hint where to get
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Hi Darren,
Darren Dale wrote:
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Thanks for responding, but I'm still wondering if pip can install
dependencies recursively.
Yes, it can and does. As Tarek said, pip uses the same install_requires
metadata and it treats it the same way as
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:23 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
Sure. Package management tool should have an ability to update itself when
required regardless of Python release. For example::
python.exe -m easy_install setuptools
This should be:
python -m easy_install -U
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Darren Dale dsdal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
The open question is: do we want to include a full installer that
takes care of installing / removing dependencies as well ?
I think not. Pip
Hi Carl,
2010/3/24 Carl Meyer c...@dirtcircle.com:
Darren Dale wrote:
[snip]
Thanks for responding, but I'm still wondering if pip can install
dependencies recursively.
Yes, it can and does. As Tarek said, pip uses the same install_requires
metadata
I saw that part...
and it treats it
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Darren Dale wrote:
Right, I am somewhat familiar with requirements files. I guess I have
not been keeping up closely enough with pip development recently. Last
I checked, pip supported dependencies via requirements files (which
are good for
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
My experience is that only `install_requires` is needed (unless you
want to create app bundles AFAICR) , but in practice I've noticed that
*some* easy_installable packages are not pip-able (though I had no
time to figure out
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Ian Bicking i...@colorstudy.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
My experience is that only `install_requires` is needed (unless you
want to create app bundles AFAICR) , but in practice I've noticed that
*some*
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Darren Dale dsdal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Ian Bicking i...@colorstudy.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
My experience is that only `install_requires` is needed (unless you
want to
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Jason Baker jba...@zeomega.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Darren Dale dsdal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Ian Bicking i...@colorstudy.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote:
My
On 2010-03-24, at 2:04 PM, Darren Dale wrote:
Seeking clarification: how can pip recursively install dependencies
*and* keep Setuptools from resolving dependencies?
Using the --no-deps option to setup.py
Amusing. Seriously though, how does pip determine the dependencies if
it is
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
On 2010-03-24, at 2:04 PM, Darren Dale wrote:
Seeking clarification: how can pip recursively install dependencies
*and* keep Setuptools from resolving dependencies?
Using the --no-deps option to setup.py
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Hi Darren,
Darren Dale wrote:
Amusing. Seriously though, how does pip determine the dependencies if
it is calling setup.py with arguments that prevent Setuptools from
resolving the dependencies? pip --help doesn't indicate a --no-deps
option, it
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Carl Meyer c...@dirtcircle.com wrote:
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Hi Darren,
Darren Dale wrote:
Amusing. Seriously though, how does pip determine the dependencies if
it is calling setup.py with arguments that prevent Setuptools from
On 2010-03-24 17:19 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
BTW, That makes me wonder how hard it would be to make it use a plain
python setup.py install call
instead, to remove the easy_install dependency ? Since it could
simply loop into each dependency
Some packages use setuptools and some don't. Since
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2010-03-24 17:19 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
BTW, That makes me wonder how hard it would be to make it use a plain
python setup.py install call
instead, to remove the easy_install dependency ? Since it could
simply
On 2010-03-24 17:53 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Robert Kernrobert.k...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2010-03-24 17:19 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
BTW, That makes me wonder how hard it would be to make it use a plain
python setup.py install call
instead, to remove the
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com wrote:
[??]
The problem with doing that currently is that distutils complains when it
receives an option that it doesn't recognize.
No because these are options you pass to easy_install only in your
distutils.cfg file:
On 2010-03-24 18:30 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Robert Kernrobert.k...@gmail.com wrote:
[??]
The problem with doing that currently is that distutils complains when it
receives an option that it doesn't recognize.
No because these are options you pass to
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:38 AM, Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com wrote:
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The --single-version-externally-managed and --record options are only on the
install command, not the easy_install command.
oops that's right I've forgot about that, I thought they were in
easy_install. So it
At 05:27 PM 3/24/2010 -0500, Robert Kern wrote:
Since setuptools changes the behavior of the install command to
install .eggs, those packages need extra flags to use pip's
preferred flat installs. Using easy_install (with the right flags)
yields consistent behavior for all packages.
On 2010-03-24 19:56 , P.J. Eby wrote:
At 05:27 PM 3/24/2010 -0500, Robert Kern wrote:
Since setuptools changes the behavior of the install command to
install .eggs, those packages need extra flags to use pip's preferred
flat installs. Using easy_install (with the right flags) yields
consistent
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