Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/10/2014 01:08 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > 1. Whereas the Code of Conduct presumes that most behavior is done > with full knowledge and intent, we cannot really assume that. We can't > assume that if someone is behaving in a way that we dislike, that it > must be purposeful. Thought ex

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-09 Thread Jo Walsh
-- Forwarded message -- From: "Jo Walsh" Date: Oct 10, 2014 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points To: "Paul Norman" Oh, i don't mean to suggest that the Code is only a symbolic move - but that it is also a symbolic move. On Oct 9, 2014 10:26

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-09 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
A few quick comments (more thoughtful ones hopefully to follow). > 1. Whereas the Code of Conduct presumes that most behavior is done > with full knowledge and intent, we cannot really assume that. We can't > assume that if someone is behaving in a way that we dislike, that it > must be purposeful

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-09 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I'm not arguing for an exception for unacceptable behavior, but I am saying that we need to be cognizant of a few issues: 1. Whereas the Code of Conduct presumes that most behavior is done with full knowledge and intent, we cannot really assume that. We can't assume that if someone is behaving in

Re: [diversity-talk] Greetings, thoughts, references

2014-10-09 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/8/2014 12:38 PM, Melelani Sax-Barnett wrote: HI all, A few of us have recently put together a Code of Conduct for OSM mailing lists as a place to start, and I believe some moderators are going to start adopting it soon. Here it is: https://github.com/osmlab/CoC-mailing-lists/blob/master

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-09 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/8/2014 8:49 PM, Jo Walsh wrote: Okay, my gloss on this is that the Code of Conduct is a kind of shibboleth and a kind of insurance policy. You need one in order to be seen taking this stuff seriously The argument raised recently was that having a CoC helps diversity, and is not a symboli

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-09 Thread Dan S
Hi all, Great. I think I'd better mention that when I started this thread I hadn't noticed that there is a current effort on github, which seems an actual real-life starting point: (See also the "Issues" discussed there.) So I went through it to compa