Re: [diversity-talk] Neurodiversity and CoC

2014-12-02 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Alan, You're right, Alyssa and I do have a history, and that does create a lens by which I read her words. I won't go into the details right now, because I feel they would detract from the overall discussion. I wish Alyssa all the best in terms of her recovery. She (like I) lives in the city wit

Re: [diversity-talk] Neurodiversity and CoC

2014-12-01 Thread Serge Wroclawski
nd shame me, and every other person who has been born with a neurological disorder? You should absolutely be ashamed of yourself. This is the exact type of behavior that a code of conduct should in place to stop. Sincerely, - Serge Wroclawski ___ divers

Re: [diversity-talk] Neurodiversity and CoC

2014-10-14 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Tom, It would depend on which CoC we're discussing. I've already proposed specific language to the mailing list CoC. This included: 1. Naming specific behaviors I might also amend my recommendation to include mentioning specific incidents to the person being discussed (not the public at large).

Re: [diversity-talk] Neurodiversity and CoC

2014-10-14 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Just as a point of clarification, since I see words being thrown around. Neurodiversity is a term like "gender diversity". The term for people who fall inside the norms are "Neurotypical", and those who fall outside the norms as "Neurodivergent". I don't love the se terms, but they're the terms

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-09 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I'm not arguing for an exception for unacceptable behavior, but I am saying that we need to be cognizant of a few issues: 1. Whereas the Code of Conduct presumes that most behavior is done with full knowledge and intent, we cannot really assume that. We can't assume that if someone is behaving in

Re: [diversity-talk] Neurodiversity and CoC

2014-10-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I don't know of any specific code of conducts that address neurodiversity, and in some ways that's because our community doesn't operate like any software project. It's closer to Wikimedia; I'll reach out to the Wikimedians and see if they have any ideas. It's a really delicate issue because you c

[diversity-talk] Neurodiversity and CoC

2014-10-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
All, I've been contacted by someone who wished to be unnamed but who is concerned about the issues of a code of conduct and those who are non-neurotypical. By non-neurotypical they mean people who have autism, learning disabilities, tourette's disorder or other neurological conditions which make s

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I think the right way forward is to focus on directed efforts, rather than try to have a single, unified code of conduct at the start. This is for a few reasons: 1. I tried to create a CoC from the top down in 2010. It didn't work. People don't like top down things imposed upon them. 2. There is

Re: [diversity-talk] Anyone with an interest in history should not contribute to OSM?

2013-11-02 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Rob, That's a great question, and I since it's one that comes up often, I think I can provide a little context that may help explain why you're getting the responses that you are. OSM has certain principles about how it maps (much like Wikipedia has principles for article authors and editors). O

Re: [diversity-talk] wikipedia parallels

2013-09-10 Thread Serge Wroclawski
The difference between the Wikimedia Foundation and OSM is quite large. Wikipedia is a large organization, with millions of dollars and paid employees. It sets the direction it goes in from the top down, via funding. OSMF has decided to stay small over the years. It has made that position clear t