Re: Devils advocate question

2014-12-17 Thread Mario Gudelj
Deploying your Django site doesn't have to be that painful. You can do it in a single command with https://github.com/gcollazo/Fabulous. It'll take you about an hour to have a full stack running with a bit of tweaking. On 18 December 2014 at 11:11, James Schneider wrote: > > As a reformed PHP and

Re: Devils advocate question

2014-12-17 Thread James Schneider
As a reformed PHP and Drupal developer, I can say with 100% certainty that trying to crowbar Drupal (or any CMS) in to performing actions that are outside of the built-in core functionality is a nightmare at best. I wrote half a dozen custom modules (~6K SLOC), and at least 30% of that was wasted c

Re: Devils advocate question

2014-12-17 Thread Scot Hacker
On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:15:57 PM UTC-8, Sayth Renshaw wrote: > > With django what benefit do I get for the extra build time over Drupal or > Rails. I'd strongly contest that statement. Development time might be roughly equivalent to Rails (given equally experienced developers), but c

Re: Devils advocate question

2014-12-17 Thread Cal Leeming
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:53 AM, Tim Chase wrote: > > On 2014-12-17 00:14, Cal Leeming wrote: > > One thing to note, DigitalOcean is truly awesome but it is a > > no-frills service. You get an API and raw performance at dirt cheap > > pricing, everything else you have to handle yourself. > > I'd c

Re: Devils advocate question

2014-12-16 Thread Daniele Procida
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014, Sayth Renshaw wrote: >Why hasn't a cms been designed off django or python? A language cultural >effect yoy would think python would be more stable than php/drupal. You mean like django CMS, to Fein CMS, Mezzanine, Wagtail or any of the other Django CMSes? Daniele -- You

Re: Devils advocate question

2014-12-16 Thread Tim Chase
On 2014-12-17 00:14, Cal Leeming wrote: > One thing to note, DigitalOcean is truly awesome but it is a > no-frills service. You get an API and raw performance at dirt cheap > pricing, everything else you have to handle yourself. I'd call it "cheap pricing", not "dirt cheap pricing" since PHP hosti

Re: Devils advocate question

2014-12-16 Thread Cal Leeming
For what it's worth, you can cap your usage on Heroku, so any exceeded usage will just result in slow application rather than additional fees. For a small application with minimal traffic, a database, basic monitoring etc, you're looking around $40/month all in. Heroku is *not* a viable long term s

Re: Devils advocate question

2014-12-16 Thread Sayth Renshaw
Definitely Thanks Cal. Hadn't realized that with digitalocean. Been spending my time in ipython and R and plotly and wanted to get some stuff out there. Rails not really in the equation too much black magic. Saw pythonanywhere, Heroku, Bitnami they just don't have a fixed cost. Eg Bitnami says a

Re: Devils advocate question

2014-12-16 Thread Cal Leeming
One thing to note, DigitalOcean is truly awesome but it is a no-frills service. You get an API and raw performance at dirt cheap pricing, everything else you have to handle yourself. If you don't have the necessary devops/sysadmin skills, e.g. knowledge of how to recover crashed databases, corrupt

Re: Devils advocate question

2014-12-16 Thread Sayth Renshaw
Wow never knew mezzanine existed, that's interesting. Yes php hosting is cheap, but so is digitalocean and it fully supports python and django. Sayth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop rece

Re: Devils advocate question

2014-12-16 Thread Tim Chase
On 2014-12-16 13:15, Sayth Renshaw wrote: > With django what benefit do I get for the extra build time over > Drupal or Rails. Configuration I assume but real world benefits not > my/our joy of configuration. You're asking about two separate products. Over Rails, the feature-sets are fairly even

Re: Devils advocate question

2014-12-16 Thread Avraham Serour
What extra build time? you mean like https://www.django-cms.org/en/ or http://mezzanine.jupo.org/ ? On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Sayth Renshaw wrote: > > With django what benefit do I get for the extra build time over Drupal or > Rails. Configuration I assume but real world benefits not my/

Devils advocate question

2014-12-16 Thread Sayth Renshaw
With django what benefit do I get for the extra build time over Drupal or Rails. Configuration I assume but real world benefits not my/our joy of configuration. Why hasn't a cms been designed off django or python? A language cultural effect yoy would think python would be more stable than php/