Re: [dmarc-ietf] it's a version bump no matter what you call it, was Fwd: New Version

2014-06-15 Thread John Levine
>Yes, it does. But SA uses the results of Mail::DKIM heuristically and a DKIM >failure is frequently not a >sufficient basis for rejection. I should hope not. The DKIM spec is crystal clear that an invalid signature is equivalent to no signature. R's, John _

Re: [dmarc-ietf] it's a version bump no matter what you call it, was Fwd: New Version

2014-06-15 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
John Levine writes: > >Spamassassin does not pretend to be a DKIM (or DMARC) policy engine, > >so of course it "accepts" weak signatures. It accepts invalid and > >nonexistent signatures, too. > > No, it doesn't. It calls Mail::DKIM to validate the signatures. Indeed, it validates the sig

Re: [dmarc-ietf] it's a version bump no matter what you call it, was Fwd: New Version

2014-06-15 Thread Matt Simerson
On Jun 15, 2014, at 6:02 PM, John Levine wrote: >>> Your plan, as I understand it, was that verifiers will ignore a >>> signature that is too weak. One might argue clients that accept weak >>> signatures are already broken, but in that case there are an awful lot >>> of broken clients, starting

Re: [dmarc-ietf] it's a version bump no matter what you call it, was Fwd: New Version

2014-06-15 Thread John Levine
> > Your plan, as I understand it, was that verifiers will ignore a > > signature that is too weak. One might argue clients that accept weak > > signatures are already broken, but in that case there are an awful lot > > of broken clients, starting with spamassassin. (I just checked.) > >Spamassas

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-delegate-00.txt

2014-06-15 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Murray S. Kucherawy writes: > On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull > wrote: > > > > How about a new tag, "shf=" (special header fields). Ignored > > > by legacy verifiers, as required; otherwise, contains a > > > colon-separated list of fields that get special handling

Re: [dmarc-ietf] it's a version bump no matter what you call it, was Fwd: New Version

2014-06-15 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
John Levine writes: > >I do not understand this predilection for trying to change the DKIM base > >engine. It doesn't need it. > > Actually, I claim that a version bump is the approach least likely to > break existing clients. The point is to avoid breaking the anti-spam *system*. If the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] it's a version bump no matter what you call it, was Fwd: New Version

2014-06-15 Thread John R Levine
signatures are already broken, but in that case there are an awful lot of broken clients, starting with spamassassin. (I just checked.) Out of curiousity, did you try having two signatures in various different orders and combinations of validity? No, but from looking at the code, I don't thin

Re: [dmarc-ietf] it's a version bump no matter what you call it, was Fwd: New Version

2014-06-15 Thread ned+dmarc
> >I do not understand this predilection for trying to change the DKIM base > >engine. It doesn't need it. > Actually, I claim that a version bump is the approach least likely to > break existing clients. > >I also don't understand the construct of 'special handling', never mind > >not liking th

Re: [dmarc-ietf] it's a version bump no matter what you call it, was Fwd: New Version

2014-06-15 Thread John Levine
>I do not understand this predilection for trying to change the DKIM base >engine. It doesn't need it. Actually, I claim that a version bump is the approach least likely to break existing clients. >I also don't understand the construct of 'special handling', never mind >not liking the idea of it

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-delegate-00.txt

2014-06-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > How about a new tag, "shf=" (special header fields). Ignored by legacy > > verifiers, as required; otherwise, contains a colon-separated list of > > fields that get special handling by verifiers. "Special handling" > depends >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-delegate-00.txt

2014-06-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: > > What I was suggesting was merely registering a new canonicalization > algorithm. Legacy DKIM implementations won't understand it. New ones > (presumably also modified to know about DMARC) will. > > The new canonicalization should have ac

[dmarc-ietf] New DKIM canonicalization, was dkim-delegate-00

2014-06-15 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sun 15/Jun/2014 08:15:18 +0200 Dave Crocker wrote: > On 6/15/2014 8:01 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >> >> Somewhat less bogus than a new canonicalization that imparts new >> semantics; a new tag would, one would think, always impart new semantics >> in the first place. > > I do not understan