Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-27 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy superu...@gmail.com wrote: There are those among you that disagree, I know. Does anyone have actual data (not theory, not passion, but data) that any of the policy or third-party solutions we've discussed before can work, work just about

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Michael Jack Assels writes: I can't think of any. Some, many, or most of them were supposed to be, but it has never turned out that way. I don't know why DMARC is being held to a different standard. Isn't DMARC holding itself to a different standard? That's a reasonable

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Murray S. Kucherawy writes: Does anyone have actual data (not theory, not passion, but data) that any of the policy or third-party solutions we've discussed before can work, work just about everywhere, and work at scale? Speaking only for myself, at this stage I would accept *theory* that

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Franck Martin writes: Hard Bounce: no such mailbox/user/email address here (SMTP enhanced status code, like 5.1.1), usually a permanent failure Soft Bounce: there may be a valid mailbox/user/email address here, but we are not accepting this email (SMTP enhanced status code like 5.7.1),

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-27 Thread Michael Jack Assels
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:22:04 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Michael Jack Assels writes: What's a receiver supposed to do with unaligned mail whose From: domain specifies p=reject? Whatever they want to. If they think they can do filtering better than the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-27 Thread Michael Jack Assels
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 04:07:51 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Michael Jack Assels writes: As I read it, that means AOL and Yahoo are taking the position that DMARC's p=reject is The Right Thing To Do, while accepting that it's going to give wrong answers for