Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields

2020-06-06 Thread Jim Fenton
On 6/6/20 2:42 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Saturday, June 6, 2020 5:26:08 PM EDT Dave Crocker wrote: >> On 6/6/2020 2:23 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: >>> If things like DMARC, SPF, and DKIM do nothing more than get abusers to >>> use >>> different domains than they would otherwise, I think that's

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields

2020-06-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, June 6, 2020 5:26:08 PM EDT Dave Crocker wrote: > On 6/6/2020 2:23 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > If things like DMARC, SPF, and DKIM do nothing more than get abusers to > > use > > different domains than they would otherwise, I think that's a win. > > The issue here is DMARC, not SPF

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields

2020-06-06 Thread Dotzero
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 5:26 PM Jim Fenton wrote: > On 6/4/20 10:39 PM, Dotzero wrote: > > > The goal of DMARC was (and is) to mitigate direct domain abuse. Nothing > more and nothing less. It helps receiving systems identify a (correctly) > participating domain's mail. That is why a DMARC policy

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields

2020-06-06 Thread Dave Crocker
On 6/6/2020 2:23 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: If things like DMARC, SPF, and DKIM do nothing more than get abusers to use different domains than they would otherwise, I think that's a win. The issue here is DMARC, not SPF or DKIM, since DMARC is the only one of the 3 that restricts the choice of

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields

2020-06-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, June 6, 2020 4:45:11 PM EDT John Levine wrote: > In article , > > Scott Kitterman wrote: > >I think the market has spoken on the utility of DMARC. > > There's no question that it was highly successful at Yahoo and AOL > after they let crooks steal their address books at reducing th

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields

2020-06-06 Thread John Levine
In article , Scott Kitterman wrote: >I think the market has spoken on the utility of DMARC. There's no question that it was highly successful at Yahoo and AOL after they let crooks steal their address books at reducing the amount of spam their users received that forged addresses in those stolen

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields

2020-06-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
On June 6, 2020 7:25:56 PM UTC, Jim Fenton wrote: >On 6/5/20 3:37 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Friday, June 5, 2020 5:26:19 PM EDT Jim Fenton wrote: >>> >>> So maybe the core question here is, does the identity in the domain >name >>> matter or not? It does to me personally because I look a

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields

2020-06-06 Thread Jim Fenton
On 6/5/20 3:37 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Friday, June 5, 2020 5:26:19 PM EDT Jim Fenton wrote: >> >> So maybe the core question here is, does the identity in the domain name >> matter or not? It does to me personally because I look at it (whenever I >> can -- my iPhone doesn't make it easy to