Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Process/Culture was Re: 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-21 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:32 AM John Levine wrote: > The DNS has had a formal definition of non-existence for over 30 > years. You look up a name, if it returns records or NOERROR it exists, > if it returns NXDOMAIN it doesn't. There is no reason for us to invent > something new and

Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Process/Culture was Re: 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-21 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 4:31 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > I don't remember exactly why we settled on A/ / MX, but the lack of a > clear, actionable definition is why we included one. Lack of DNS records > related to email authentication only means lack of email authentication, > which is in

Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Process/Culture was Re: 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-21 Thread Dave Crocker
On 12/18/2021 10:17 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: Mailing lists are not well supported by SMTP and never will be. Any discussion of how to make mailing lists work better has to begin with the acceptance that they will never work very well which is what most people have been arguing in this

Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Process/Culture was Re: 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 2:32:12 PM EST John Levine wrote: > It appears that Scott Kitterman said: > >>> What definition are you wondering why we didn't stick to? > >> > >>Real non-existence. I'm not sure how to define it formally, ... > > The DNS has had a formal definition of

Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Process/Culture was Re: 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-21 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >>> What definition are you wondering why we didn't stick to? >> >>Real non-existence. I'm not sure how to define it formally, ... The DNS has had a formal definition of non-existence for over 30 years. You look up a name, if it returns records or NOERROR

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence (Sample Data)

2021-12-21 Thread John R Levine
If you prefix _domainkey to those names and do a lookup, several of them return NOERROR which suggests they have DKIM keys. Hm... one of them returns NXDOMAIN even though there is a DMARC record below. ale@pcale:~/tmp$ dig mail.foodnetwork.com ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status:

[dmarc-ietf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8601 (6790)

2021-12-21 Thread RFC Errata System
The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8601, "Message Header Field for Indicating Message Authentication Status". -- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6790 -- Type:

Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Process/Culture was Re: 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
On December 21, 2021 12:05:35 PM UTC, Alessandro Vesely wrote: >On Mon 20/Dec/2021 18:41:25 +0100 Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Monday, December 20, 2021 12:39:15 PM EST Alessandro Vesely wrote: >>> On Sun 19/Dec/2021 21:42:16 +0100 Scott Kitterman wrote: >>> > If the domain owner has suggested

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence (Sample Data)

2021-12-21 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Mon 20/Dec/2021 20:59:45 +0100 John Levine wrote: It appears that Alessandro Vesely said: On Mon 20/Dec/2021 12:53:12 +0100 Douglas Foster wrote: I am not doing any root domain lookups.   If that is part of the proposed algorithm, somebody needs to document it.  I am simply looking for a

Re: [dmarc-ietf] IETF Process/Culture was Re: 3.2.6 The meaning of non-existence

2021-12-21 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Mon 20/Dec/2021 18:41:25 +0100 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Monday, December 20, 2021 12:39:15 PM EST Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Sun 19/Dec/2021 21:42:16 +0100 Scott Kitterman wrote: > If the domain owner has suggested that you reject mail from a sub-domain > that has none of A, , or MX