Re: [dmarc-ietf] pct flag, Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis version 28

2023-09-09 Thread John Levine
It appears that Murray S. Kucherawy said: >The definition of "pct" doesn't talk about sources, it talks about >individual messages, evaluated independently. It's meant to be applied in >aggregate across all messages purporting to be from that domain, >independently and irrespective of source.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis version 28

2023-09-09 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 11:16 AM Douglas Foster < dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote: > I understand the phased roll-out goal, but phased rollout and percentages > are not applicable to the evaluator's task. > > I start with an assumption that message sources reflect the character of >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis version 28

2023-09-09 Thread Douglas Foster
A not-yet mentioned characteristic of impersonating messages is that: "Impersonation requires that a message originate from an attacker-controlled server." - Mailbox providers require user-level authentication. - Hosting services require domain administrator authentication and use

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis version 28

2023-09-09 Thread Douglas Foster
I understand the phased roll-out goal, but phased rollout and percentages are not applicable to the evaluator's task. I start with an assumption that message sources reflect the character of the individual or organization that controls the source. Malicious traffic comes from malicious people.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis version 28

2023-09-09 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
I'm not looking to change the WG's mind on this matter, but: On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 3:54 AM Douglas Foster < dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote: > There are many percentages mixed up together in this issue: > >- The percentage of domain message sources which provide proper >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis version 28

2023-09-09 Thread Douglas Foster
I objected strongly to the RFC 7489 language which provides disposition instructions based on the PCT clause, and still do. A brief review: There are many percentages mixed up together in this issue: - The percentage of domain message sources which provide proper authentication at