Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposing p=validate, another DMARC improvement to better support indirect mail flows

2021-09-17 Thread Benny Lyne Amorsen
Scott Kitterman writes: > Also, doing anything based on an ARC header field from anything other > than a trusted source is a recipe for failure. I've already seen > cases where spoofed email got accepted due to ARC from an untrusted > source. Don't forget the limitations of ARC. I am not parti

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposing p=validate, another DMARC improvement to better support indirect mail flows

2021-09-17 Thread Benny Lyne Amorsen
Scott Kitterman writes: > How do you define "First Hop" without enabling spoofers to trivially > bypass DMARC checks by forging more than one hop of headers? It wouldn't matter. Sensible mailing lists would reject non-first-hop mails for domains with p=validate. Spoofers can still spoof directly

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine

2020-12-02 Thread Benny Lyne Amorsen
Dotzero writes: > p= DID NOT mistakenly choose to use the language of receiver > actions. p= represents the domain-owner request to the receiver as to > the disposition of messages which fail to validate. Any reading of > "concern" is supposition on the part of yourself or other self > appointed

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #39 - remove p=quarantine

2020-12-02 Thread Benny Lyne Amorsen
Dave Crocker writes: > p: Domain Owner Assessment Policy (plain-text; REQUIRED for policy > records). Indicates the severity of concern the domain owner has, for > mail using its domain but not passing DMARC validation. Policy > applies to the domain queried and to subdomains, unless subdomai

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Response to a claim in draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 security considerations

2020-07-20 Thread Benny Lyne Amorsen
Dotzero writes: > One might point to the fact that DMARC was just such an effort before > it was publicly published. While there was much criticism of this when > it was submitted to the IETF - "You just want us to rubber stamp this" > - there was no such intent. It had worked well within the gro

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Response to a claim in draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 security considerations

2020-07-20 Thread Benny Lyne Amorsen
"Douglas E. Foster" writes: > Ultimately, this becomes a question of power. Do domain owners have > the right, with the help of their correspondents, to prohibit spoofing > (unauthorized use) of their digital identity? Domain owners are free to use the court system to assert trademark rights an

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC Use of the RFC5322.Sender Header Field

2020-07-15 Thread Benny Lyne Amorsen
Jeremy Harris writes: > On 15/07/2020 10:25, Benny Lyne Amorsen wrote: >> At the other end of the spectrum, domains which never ever >> participate in mailing lists or mail forwarding need some kind of >> "p=reject-yes-really-I-mean-it", to stop recipients from

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC Use of the RFC5322.Sender Header Field

2020-07-15 Thread Benny Lyne Amorsen
Alessandro Vesely writes: > Perhaps we could formalize Sender:'s role by inventing some kind of > p=some, which requires Sender: alignment. The From: domain has to > remain the consumer of aggregate reports. That way it can learn which > senders redistribute its mail. This proposal seems spot