Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC draft questions (speak up!): Experimental Status and Considerations

2018-01-03 Thread Dave Crocker
While John Levine cited the benefits of the "experimental" approach taken for EAI (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dmarc/gvUecJuYLT9GIh5zbcZ_U9CgNkw), I'm also biased by the "let's all just play nice" mess that came from designating incompatible "versions" of SPF as competing experiment

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC draft questions (speak up!): Experimental Status and Considerations

2018-01-03 Thread Hector Santos
DKIM had a sound proof of concept when it was introduced, and I hate to bring it up, but its key attraction, both technically and from a marketing standpoint, came when it was tied to a DKIM Policy model as the original specification had it proposed: DKIM/SSP proposal: Proposed: o=~ NEUT

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC draft questions (speak up!): Experimental Status and Considerations

2018-01-03 Thread Kurt Andersen (b)
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 8:04 AM, Seth Blank wrote: > > . . .for me "experimental" comes from the fact that there are several open > issues on which there has been lasting discussion within this group with no > resolution that data from an experiment will quickly shine light on. . . > I'm less san

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC draft questions (speak up!): Experimental Status and Considerations

2018-01-03 Thread Seth Blank
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:05 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > 2) The advice that all handlers need to apply a seal to the message, to > which Bron previously and rather strenuously voiced opposition. I believe > the decision was to defer on that issue until we've run some real-world > experimen

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC draft questions (speak up!): Experimental Status and Considerations

2018-01-02 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:57 PM, Kurt Andersen (b) wrote: > While John Levine cited the benefits of the "experimental" approach taken > for EAI (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dmarc/ > gvUecJuYLT9GIh5zbcZ_U9CgNkw), I'm also biased by the "let's all just play > nice" mess that came from des

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC draft questions (speak up!): Experimental Status and Considerations

2018-01-02 Thread Kurt Andersen (b)
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Seth Blank wrote: > I'm beginning a new thread to explicitly address some differences of > opinion in the working group. > > Coming out of IETF99 and surrounding working group conversations ( > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dmarc/5_OP8lVi-a3yHMS0hqs1clyLW

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC draft questions (speak up!): Experimental Status and Considerations

2017-12-29 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Seth Blank wrote: > 1) Unless a chair speaks up that consensus is already Experimental, we > should have the conversation now and nail this down. > > 2) Unless there is opposition, I'd like to move the Experimental > Considerations out of the usage guide into the

[dmarc-ietf] ARC draft questions (speak up!): Experimental Status and Considerations

2017-12-28 Thread Seth Blank
I'm beginning a new thread to explicitly address some differences of opinion in the working group. Coming out of IETF99 and surrounding working group conversations ( https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dmarc/5_OP8lVi-a3yHMS0hqs1clyLWj4, https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dmarc/4Gu1EErK4iuo9pQ