Re: [dmarc-ietf] About user notification in the MUA

2020-06-08 Thread Stan Kalisch
On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, at 2:03 AM, Douglas E. Foster wrote: > Stan Kalisch asks: And you propose the average user can understand, much less > take the time to understand, the substance? > > Yes. I believe users are worried about spam, and want to make intelligent > decisions about whether or not e

Re: [dmarc-ietf] About user notification in the MUA

2020-06-08 Thread John Levine
In article <3eb519fc08214b4bb23ed00737cdc...@bayviewphysicians.com> you write: >Yes. I believe users are worried about spam, and want to make intelligent >decisions about whether or not email >can be trusted. Unfortunately, our present software denies them access to the >available information

Re: [dmarc-ietf] About user notification in the MUA

2020-06-08 Thread Дилян Палаузов
Hello, when a message is wrongly evalutated as spam, and is left therefore unnoticed, it is nobody’s fault. You can signal the users as you want, including the users, which just redirect mails on your host, and do not utilize the “Spam” store there. A message is either likely spam (subject to si

Re: [dmarc-ietf] About user notification in the MUA

2020-06-08 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:04 PM Douglas E. Foster < fost...@bayviewphysicians.com> wrote: > Stan Kalisch asks: And you propose the average user can understand, much > less take the time to understand, the substance? > > Yes. I believe users are worried about spam, and want to make > intelligent

Re: [dmarc-ietf] About user notification in the MUA

2020-06-07 Thread Douglas E. Foster
Stan Kalisch asks: And you propose the average user can understand, much less take the time to understand, the substance? Yes. I believe users are worried about spam, and want to make intelligent decisions about whether or not email can be trusted. Unfortunately, our present software denies

Re: [dmarc-ietf] About user notification in the MUA

2020-06-07 Thread Stan Kalisch
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Douglas E. Foster wrote: > The problem with all current notification methods is that they are relatively > primitive, often communicating nothing substantive about the suspicious > message characteristics. And you propose the average user can understand, much les

Re: [dmarc-ietf] About user notification in the MUA

2020-06-07 Thread Dave Crocker
On 6/7/2020 4:04 PM, Douglas E. Foster wrote: Given that market reality, I conclude that most vendors and their customers believe that user-signalling is useful.   The signalling system does not have to prevent every mistake for the signal to be useful. What you are describing has nothing at

Re: [dmarc-ietf] About user notification in the MUA

2020-06-07 Thread Douglas E. Foster
I am trying to play by the rules and not chase topics outside the one assigned, but since several have jumped on my comment, I will follow up briefly. Dave Crocker wrote Since there has been a demonstrated lack of efficacy in this sort of display, there needs to be an objective basis for knowing