Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields D

2020-06-05 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Fri 05/Jun/2020 13:45:18 +0200 Hector Santos wrote: > On 6/5/2020 6:34 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: >> > >> For completeness, I'd also mention conditional signatures, as a fifth point. >> They were specified, implemented and then abandoned in lieu of ARC. > > h, interesting. Where was the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields D

2020-06-05 Thread Hector Santos
On 6/5/2020 6:34 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: 4) Require all recipient systems to make special policy accommodations to grant trust to messages from List B, simply because it comes from List B. This is feasible, but specific to each participants incoming email filter. This is a hindrance t

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields D

2020-06-05 Thread Hector Santos
On 6/4/2020 6:31 AM, Douglas E. Foster wrote: MAILING LISTS. The mailing list problem can be stated as follows: * Domain B wants to operate a mailing list. * The list owner will accept messages from domain A, alter them, then re-transmit the altered message to member C. * List owner B

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields D

2020-06-05 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Thu 04/Jun/2020 12:31:51 +0200 Douglas E. Foster wrote: > MAILING LISTS. > > The mailing list problem can be stated as follows: > > * Domain B wants to operate a mailing list. > * The list owner will accept messages from domain A, alter them, then > re-transmit the altered message to m

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields D

2020-06-04 Thread Douglas E. Foster
MAILING LISTS. The mailing list problem can be stated as follows: Domain B wants to operate a mailing list.The list owner will accept messages from domain A, alter them, then re-transmit the altered message to member C.List owner B wants the mail filter for member C to guarantee that his list m

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields D

2020-06-03 Thread Hector Santos
On 6/2/2020 8:45 PM, Douglas E. Foster wrote: Someone said that the Sender Address is all we can trust. Nonsense. +1 As to identifiers: The RFC 5321 MAILFROM sender is intended, at least in my understanding, to represent the login account used to create the message, while the RFC 5322 From H

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields D

2020-06-02 Thread Douglas E. Foster
I don't understand why this topic is debatable. We are faced with a constant stream of mail which we do not want. We need to block the nuisance stuff as well as the dangerous stuff, so that the important stuff gets processed in a timely manner, and so that our labor efforts can be spent on thin