Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-02-11 Thread Elizabeth Zwicky
> On Jan 25, 2022, at 10:35 AM, John R Levine wrote: > > Do we have any stats on how often real mail depends on sibling alignment? If > nobody actually uses it, the spec would be simpler if we could take it out. Stats are tricky, but here are some senders using sibling alignment like From

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-26 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Tue 25/Jan/2022 20:39:11 +0100 Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 11:26 AM John R Levine wrote: On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: will get the same result. It also occurs to me that in the absence of a PSL-like thing, the idea of an organizational domain is no

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 11:26 AM John R Levine wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > >> will get the same result. It also occurs to me that in the absence of > >> a PSL-like thing, the idea of an organizational domain is no longer > >> useful. > > > > Aren't we basically

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread John R Levine
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: will get the same result. It also occurs to me that in the absence of a PSL-like thing, the idea of an organizational domain is no longer useful. Aren't we basically trying to identify the same thing, just in a different (and more robust) way?

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:40 AM John Levine wrote: > It appears that Scott Kitterman said: > >My impression is that the group is generally okay with PSD=y. I prefer > it over your suggestion. My strongest preference is that we pick > something, stick with it, and move on. > > I think I see

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread John R Levine
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, Dotzero wrote: If they are cousin domains, walk up the tree from each until you find a policy record. If you find the same policy record and it's not a PSD and it allows relaxed alignment, they're in relaxed alignment. If you find different records, or only one record, or

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Dotzero
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:40 PM John Levine wrote: > It appears that Scott Kitterman said: > >My impression is that the group is generally okay with PSD=y. I prefer > it over your suggestion. My strongest preference is that we pick > something, stick with it, and move on. > > I think I see

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On January 25, 2022 5:40:09 PM UTC, John Levine wrote: >It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >>My impression is that the group is generally okay with PSD=y. I prefer it >>over your suggestion. My strongest preference is that we pick something, >>stick with it, and move on. > >I think I

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Tree walk is not a heuristic, was screwed up

2022-01-25 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >My impression is that the group is generally okay with PSD=y. I prefer it >over your suggestion. My strongest preference is that we pick something, >stick with it, and move on. I think I see where Ale's confusion is coming from. If we switch to a tree