Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News IV

2014-12-23 Thread hellekin
On 12/23/2014 11:23 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: > > Instead of digesting for you the week on the mailing list, I want you to > think carefully and say if Devuan Weekly News > > a) is useful > b) should be coordinated with such announcements > *** Noel, I say yes to both points. Contrary t

[Dng] Fwd: system scriptinng language.

2014-12-23 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Enrico, Thanks for your feedback! The "container friendliness" design point is intentional, and can certainly be used to give each user/session their own /dev instance. I haven't added it yet, but it will be possible to signal a vdev instance to reload its configuration (i.e. send it SIGUSR1

Re: [Dng] system scriptinng language.

2014-12-23 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi T.J., sorry this is late--this thread got lost in my inbox. Thank you for your feedback regarding GPLv3. My reason for choosing it was because it explicitly grants an irrevocable patent license to downstream coders, whereas GPLv2 does not. I would think this would make it more attractive to t

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News IV

2014-12-23 Thread Franco Lanza
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 02:23:41AM +, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: > The question is: is it worth to continue the Devuan Weekly News effort > when "the people leading the project" issue a different news page without > coordinating with DWN? > > Instead of digesting for you the week on the mai

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2014-12-23 Thread Franco Lanza
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 05:22:57PM +0100, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > I, personally, prefer mailing lists. I, personally, prefer a mix of IRC, ml, wiki, any tool for the right thing :) Actually i'm working more than anything else in trying to write down on the devuan-project reposi

[Dng] Fwd: Re: Devuan Weekly News IV

2014-12-23 Thread Jaromil
On 24 December 2014 04:13:52 CET, Hendrik Boom wrote: >On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 02:23:41AM +, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: >> >> The question is: is it worth to continue the Devuan Weekly News >effort >> when "the people leading the project" issue a different news page >without >> coordina

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News IV

2014-12-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 02:23:41AM +, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: > > The question is: is it worth to continue the Devuan Weekly News effort > when "the people leading the project" issue a different news page without > coordinating with DWN? I'd say yes. > Instead of digesting for you the

[Dng] Devuan Weekly News IV

2014-12-23 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
Welcome to Devuan Weekly News IV. Again this issue has come out one day late, but Real Life (TM) still is chasing. The bad news is that this may be the last issue. This time I will not go for a dedicated mailing list digest, but instead, I'll point to a single web page ([1]), which is the same as

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread Tor Myklebust
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014, Joe Awni wrote: Instead of rehashing nightmare scenarios, id like to invite you into my day-dream: Devuan makes headlines news as the first OS to use a TPM to prevent the installation of any DRM software or any software that does not respect the user's freedoms. That would

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread Joe Awni
And now you know why i did not want to be the one to explain TPM, because i often make little mistakes, such as typo. Or, for example, quoting only half of a sentence as Jaromil points out. Or assuming that, like myself, the readers of this list have spent a life-time studying operating systems' d

Re: [Dng] image upload

2014-12-23 Thread John Morris
On Sun, 2014-12-21 at 19:58 +0200, Vlad wrote: > Isn't the Debian swirl logo GPL as well, I do not think t will be a problem > for Devuan to use it? There is no copyright problem with the image so the GPL isn't a problem, it is a trademark issue. Please read the trademark guidelines at debian.org

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 12/23/2014 3:35 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: And yes, putting the thing in hardware does enhance security in ways software alone simply can't. … and if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. Nik Be nice. =) John may not have had training in hardware that you have had. You're b

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Dienstag, 23. Dezember 2014 schrieb John Morris: > On Mon, 2014-12-22 at 17:23 -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > What can it do in the right? Nothing that can't be done without the TPM > > chip. One of the first things that you learn in computer engineering is > > that anything problem can be

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread John Morris
On Mon, 2014-12-22 at 17:23 -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > What can it do in the right? Nothing that can't be done without the TPM > chip. One of the first things that you learn in computer engineering is > that anything problem can be solved on software or hardware. The only > difference is a

Re: [Dng] Packaging system

2014-12-23 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 12/23/2014 10:56 AM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: On 15.12.2014 17:15, Francesco Il Parente wrote: of course but the apt and dpkg depencies on systemd, you want fork it ? Yes, of course. I'll do it personally, all on my own, if necessary. I might be interested in lending a ha

Re: [Dng] Heads up - missing emails

2014-12-23 Thread Lev
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:54:44 -0600 Jim Murphy wrote: > Just found ~18 emails from Dng in the spam folder. I suggest to use the gmane interface of the list, and disable the mail delivery. Levente ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailingl

Re: [Dng] Heads up - missing emails

2014-12-23 Thread Christoph Lechleitner
Am 2014-12-23 um 17:54 schrieb Jim Murphy: > Hi gmail and maybe other users, > > Just found ~18 emails from Dng in the spam folder. I was > wondering why some of the threads here seemed disjointed. > I also found conformation emails in my spam folder(not good). > Actually not getting the conforma

Re: [Dng] Packaging system

2014-12-23 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 15.12.2014 17:15, Francesco Il Parente wrote: > of course but the apt and dpkg depencies on systemd, you want fork it ? Yes, of course. I'll do it personally, all on my own, if necessary. cu -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consulting +49-151-27565287 _

[Dng] Heads up - missing emails

2014-12-23 Thread Jim Murphy
Hi gmail and maybe other users, Just found ~18 emails from Dng in the spam folder. I was wondering why some of the threads here seemed disjointed. I also found conformation emails in my spam folder(not good). Actually not getting the conformations is what got me searching. Some one on one of the

Re: [Dng] system scriptinng language.

2014-12-23 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 18.12.2014 03:36, Jude Nelson wrote: > (my motivation for v3 over v2 is the explicit patent license). +1 I wish, more people would do that. Actually, I'd like to be a bit more rigious at that point: as soon as you (licensee) use an software patent as an attack weapon (IOW: you sue somebody

Re: [Dng] system scriptinng language.

2014-12-23 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 17.12.2014 22:10, Jude Nelson wrote: > * If you're worried about testing and debugging vdev, you'll be pleased > to know that it can run concurrently with udev, on any mountpoint you > want. You can even run multiple instances of vdev independently. *THAT* is a really cool feature. It would a

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2014-12-23 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 23.12.2014 11:34, Jaromil wrote: Hi, > I doubt we can "force" any behaviour really. Personally I use also IRC > for more than asking for help or hanging out, it is very practical and > if people know how to use it then is less tl;dr than mailinglists. But > yes there are already a couple of /i

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread Jaromil
dear Joe, thanks for your input Disclaimer: I'm biased towards software implementations in general, even when it comes to computer graphics or desktop accelleration FWIW. Because I see hardware as inherently limiting freedom unless carefully designed for opennes - and as of today there is much t

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread Joe Awni
I didn't want to go down this thread, but i feel compelled to respond to the non-sense and hysteria surrounding TPM. As i said before, they are stuffing your open mind with rubbage. TPM is not part of Ethernet. Perhaps it's been mistaken for IPMI / BMC ( which btw does have known holes ["so if you

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

2014-12-23 Thread Jaromil
dear Aldemir, On Tue, 23 Dec 2014, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: >On 22 December 2014 at 19:26, Jaromil <[1]jaro...@dyne.org> wrote: > > Dear Init Freedom lovers, > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you! > > > >Thanks for the updates, it's delightful to

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Dienstag, 23. Dezember 2014 schrieb Joe Awni: > [...] > Although i stated in my previous message that i did not want to explain. > However, i see that w/o my explanation the insanity of a fun house of > mirrors plus an echo chamber would prevail. (you know how it is: `DRM bad ∴ > TPM bad`) There