Re: [Dng] Puppy Linux-related thoughts

2015-03-22 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 11:24:03PM -0400, Apollia wrote: > > Regarding desktops - perhaps Puppy Linux might be a good place to look for > some inspiration? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_Linux > > So small, light, fast, and relatively easy to use, even for total Linux > newbies. Ah yes, Pup

[Dng] Puppy Linux-related thoughts - was Re: API: was (for who knows what reason): Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75

2015-03-22 Thread Apollia
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 22/03/2015 16:59, Steve Litt a écrit : > >> On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:53:02 + >> Nuno Magalhães wrote: >> >> >On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:24 AM, T.J. Duchene >>> >wrote: >>> > >What I said was at some point Devuan will probably have

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread Peter Olson
> On March 22, 2015 at 6:29 AM Jaromil wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Peter Olson wrote: > > > RMS didn't call me a troll, he answered the question. Somebody else > > took it upon himself to refer to the question as trolling. I haven't > > decided yet whether to speak to that person tomorrow

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread hellekin
Would it be possible to avoid offensive characterization of people who do not think along the same lines? Would it be possible to avoid gender-biased characterization of people who are participating in this list? Thank you == hk ___ Dng mailing list Dn

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread devuan . kn
> I think everyone is in agreement that they fulfill the letter of the > license. The spirit may be lacking especially in regards to access. > Being an enormous, interdependent hairball simply puts the code out of > reach for all practical purposes as well as restricting use. Again, > that's spir

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread Lars Noodén
On 22.03.2015 22:00, KatolaZ wrote: > Well, we might all agree on despising the systemd-nonsense on a > technical level, but nobody can say it's not free software without > being considered a fool. The systemd-nonsense is distributed with a > free software license, therefore it *is* free software..

[Dng] Troll accusations and what to do about them: was: rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 20:00:24 + KatolaZ wrote: > What is strange in the report made by Jaromil is the fact that just > asking a question about the systemd-nonsense classifies you as a > troll, which is quite unusual in the free software community. Characterizing the anti-systemd person as a

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 07:09:50PM +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 21.03.2015 18:51, Linuxito wrote: > > Great reading. I knew RMS would answer something like that to that > > question, if it's licensed under GPL, it's free software, period. > > ( Actually it's LGPL [1] but ... ) > > I expect that

Re: [Dng] API: was (for who knows what reason): Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75, Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-22 Thread T.J. Duchene
Sorry about that bad Subject line, gentlemen. I used Gmail's web interface last night and it totally screwed things up. @Steve Litt, Numo, and Patrick: Frankly everyone, without trying to be rude here - that is your prerogative whether you like or hate Gnome, systemd or whatever. I support

[Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied? {FW copy - was : Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75 by mistake)

2015-03-22 Thread T.J. Duchene
From: T.J. Duchene [mailto:t.j.duch...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 2:25 AM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75 Hey Steve! "Do you understand what mailing list this is?" Yes. I do. I didn't start the discussion. I actually recommended tabling it

Re: [Dng] API: was (for who knows what reason): Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75

2015-03-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/03/2015 16:59, Steve Litt a écrit : On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:53:02 + Nuno Magalhães wrote: >On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:24 AM, T.J. Duchene >wrote: > >What I said was at some point Devuan will probably have to support > >systemd's API, in order to support upstream projects that actuall

Re: [Dng] API: was (for who knows what reason): Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75

2015-03-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:53:02 + Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:24 AM, T.J. Duchene > wrote: > > What I said was at some point Devuan will probably have to support > > systemd's API, in order to support upstream projects that actually > > require systemd. > > Why? > > Bigg

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 11:29:58 +0100 Jaromil wrote: > But at the very least the episode is that of public denigration for > somoene asking a question, made worse by the fact it is operated by a > renown public figure and leader. This just sets an example for all the > other guys present, plus gives

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75

2015-03-22 Thread Patrick Erdmann
I support Nuno. +1 On 22.03.2015 13:53, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:24 AM, T.J. Duchene wrote: >> What I said was at some point Devuan will probably have to support systemd's >> API, in order to support upstream projects that actually require systemd. > > Why? > > Biggest

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75

2015-03-22 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:24 AM, T.J. Duchene wrote: > What I said was at some point Devuan will probably have to support systemd's > API, in order to support upstream projects that actually require systemd. Why? Biggest example: GNOME (now) requires systemd. I don't want systemd, so, i won't us

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Sun 22 March 2015 11:29:54 devuan...@spamgourmet.net wrote: > Considering that the blog post is all about putting an idea up for > discussion I really do not see how that can be undiscussed and > unsolicited. How should you get a discussion started on the internet? Considering how I clearly sta

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread devuan . kn
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:40 AM, Jude Nelson - jud...@gmail.com wrote: >> The only way not to be forcing anybody is to stick with the least >> common denominator for everything. That flat out stops progress. > > This is simply not true. A key hallmark of good application design is to > keep the b

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread devuan . kn
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:34 AM, Joerg Reisenweber - reisenwe...@web.de wrote: > From > *"root fs: any you like, even MSDOS (with some limitations)" * > to an undiscussed unsolicited > *"root fs: btrfs mandatory"* > is *not* the kind of "progress" I want to see happen, ever. The interesting prope

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

2015-03-22 Thread Jaromil
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Peter Olson wrote: > > On March 21, 2015 at 6:36 PM Robert Storey > > wrote: > > > > Hopefully, it's just a rumor, though it sounds real. > > > > Indeed, I've been wondering why RMS hasn't commented on systemd long > > ago when it became obvious that it would effectively du

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75

2015-03-22 Thread T.J. Duchene
Hey Steve! "Do you understand what mailing list this is?" Yes. I do. I didn't start the discussion. I actually recommended tabling it until after Devuan is released. "Why in the *world* would we go to the substantial trouble of depoetterizing Debian if we wanted systemd to sneak back in via some