Re: [Dng] A novice attempt to speed up Devuan development

2015-05-06 Thread Jaromil
dear Jaret, thanks for your information On Tue, 05 May 2015, Jaret Cantu wrote: eudev continues to pull in relevant udev changes from the systemd tree (without the init-specific filth, obviously) and even provides some fixes of its own. It is like a window into some magical world where

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

2015-05-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 11:12:46PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 05:34:19PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: [cut] I meant we should live with the fact that systemd is not unpluggable :) Nicely put. But do you draw any implication from that vis-a-vis supporting

[Dng] Is it useful to create a .so file to replace functions imported from libsystemd Co.?

2015-05-06 Thread Edward Bartolo
I am using lsof together with objdump -T executable to determine what systemd functions are imported by essential XFCE4 executables. For instance, this is for /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor: DF *UND* LIBSYSTEMD_209 sd_session_get_seat

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

2015-05-06 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 06:27:49AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: [cut] So why should we waste man-power on allowing to use systemd in a distribution whose first aim and motivation is to provide a systemd-free GNU/Linux?!?!? Nor should we waste manpower making it extra difficult for

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2015-05-06 Thread Randall Wolf
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Re: [Dng] Please stop vain discussion

2015-05-06 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 06/05/2015 19:49, Anto a écrit : On 06/05/15 10:23, Didier Kryn wrote: Dear devuaners, Debatting wether Devuan should allow systemd usage or forbid it completely, or wether it should eradicate systemd service files from all packages is interesting, but for sure prematurate. Let's

Re: [Dng] Please stop vain discussion

2015-05-06 Thread Nextime
On May 6, 2015 8:33:31 PM CEST, Laurent Bercot ska-de...@skarnet.org wrote: On 06/05/2015 19:49, Anto wrote: When I started this thread, I genuinely asked technical question related to what I am doing in removing systemd's files from Debian sources of some packages. I am quite sure that I

Re: [Dng] Please stop vain discussion

2015-05-06 Thread Anto
On 06/05/15 10:23, Didier Kryn wrote: Dear devuaners, Debatting wether Devuan should allow systemd usage or forbid it completely, or wether it should eradicate systemd service files from all packages is interesting, but for sure prematurate. Let's discuss that when someone proposes to

Re: [Dng] Please stop vain discussion

2015-05-06 Thread James Powell
When it comes to building packages, you can always run rm with an option against the temporary directory where the packer is targeting to remove any files related to systemd, use sed or patches against existing scripts or import custom scripts and configurations, and then allow the packager to

Re: [Dng] A novice attempt to speed up Devuan development

2015-05-06 Thread James Powell
Yes. Eudev should be the target goal for now until Jude can get vdev stabilized. There's also the aspect of using Busybox-mdev (mdev-like-a-boss project has a lot of insight on this for generalized usages) though this would forgo any allowances of evdev drivers for input devices and require the

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

2015-05-06 Thread Jim Jackson
Apoligies for the finger trouble - I hit send instead of cancel. On Wed, 6 May 2015, Jim Jackson wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2015, Anto wrote: On 05/05/15 16:05, David Hare wrote: The decision in Debian to default the init system to systemd is the main reason to fork Debian in the