Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread tilt!
On 09/01/2015 07:49 AM, Tobias Hunger wrote: > [...] > And yes, checking for shutdown in a service is a hack. Things like > that are a maintenance nightmare in the long run, especially when > they start to get copied into other services. Speaking of which, my patch for "nodm" is online at [1]. K

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Jaromil
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, KatolaZ wrote: > Go conquer the world with your little software-engineering > masterpiece, but please leave us poor cavemen in peace. You are very kind to call them "systemd-lovers" and call us cavemen. You are conceding a lot to people who are too full of themselves to even r

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Tobias Hunger
Hi Laurent, Am 31.08.2015 9:24 nachm. schrieb "Laurent Bercot" : > > On 31/08/2015 20:56, Tobias Hunger wrote: >> >> Oh, I am pretty happy with systemd and won't lie about that. I would >> still like to see some competition going. > > > That's pretty much the crux of the problem here. Nothing can

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Jaromil
On Tue, 01 Sep 2015, tilt! wrote: > Speaking of which, my patch for "nodm" is online at [1]. > > Kind regards, > T. > > Links: > > [1] "nodm" Devuan package source 0.11-1.3~sls1. > URL: https://git.devuan.org/tilt/nodm Great :^) I hope Enrico has time to have a look and perhaps include the patc

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Jaromil
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, Tobias Hunger wrote: > And yes, any init system that needs hacks like the one tilt! is doing > for his display manager is a lesser one. so also busybox then, are they lesser userland utilities ? and uclibc or mulib, are they lesser libc implementations? how about Hurd or *B

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Jaromil
I'll refrain quoting the rest of the reply, which contains some obvious manipulations. On Tue, 01 Sep 2015, Tobias Hunger wrote: >Please blog as much as you can so that developers can find out about what >you are doing. Posting here won't get your message across I think. so now you are

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Jaromil
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, Laurent Bercot wrote: > I'm working on it with s6-rc. Jude is working on the udev system > with vdev. Other people are working on the other parts of the Linux > userspace that systemd would love to phagocyte. And we are not > getting the kind of money or resources that the sy

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Tobias Hunger writes: > Am 31.08.2015 21:50 schrieb "KatolaZ" : >> The sole fact that you consider anything else than systemd as "a >> lesser" option[...] > > Hi KatolaZ, > > there are several inits (plus surrounding code like startup scripts) that > do not require a hack like that. It would stil

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 10:04:13AM +0200, Tobias Hunger wrote: [cut] > > Which concrete problems did you, Jude and whoever solve recently? > I know this is hard to believe for you, but all those efforts are intended to avoid a bloated software, whose conception has nothing to do with the most

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-09-01 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Edward, Here is the code of my libpqxx++ project: http://gnuinos.org/libpqxx++/ (Now i can't access to any git repository in my gitlab account; apparently it's in maintenance). It is a small project, and you can analyze the debian branch (debian/rules, etc...). The separation: libpqxx li

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 01/09/2015 10:29, Jaromil wrote: if you can confirm the plan of releasing r6-rc within september I confirm it. -- Laurent ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-09-01 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi Aitor, As soon as I have time I will have a look at the code. Regarding learning to use git, I learnt to push my commits and do git pulls to synchronize my sources with those of the repository. I took note of all the git commands used together with the sequence in which they were issued. Ed

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-09-01 Thread tilt!
Hi Edward, On 09/01/2015 12:33 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: As soon as I have time I will have a look at the code. Regarding learning to use git, I learnt to push my commits and do git pulls to synchronize my sources with those of the repository. I took note of all the git commands used together

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 01/09/2015 10:04, Tobias Hunger wrote: Now that is a really depressing outlook. What can I say: the state of affairs with the systemd madness *is* depressing. I am way more positive than about your chances than that. X11 used to be impossible to replace because of drivers and we are pret

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread John Crisp
On 30/08/15 09:26, Steve Litt wrote: > You know why, Nate. You were on Debian-User in the bad old days. Back > in the day, how many times did I get called a conspiracy theorist for > answering that question. > > Three words: > > 1. Follow > 2. the > 3. money. > So true, so true. I personally

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 10:04:13 +0200 Tobias Hunger wrote: [snip] > Now that is a really depressing outlook. > > I am way more positive than about your chances than that. [snip] > Keep on hacking, you can make a difference:) [snip] > Go talk to other developers, find out what bothers them abo

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread jfmxl
On 2015-09-01 19:26, John Crisp wrote: On 30/08/15 09:26, Steve Litt wrote: You know why, Nate. You were on Debian-User in the bad old days. Back in the day, how many times did I get called a conspiracy theorist for answering that question. Three words: 1. Follow 2. the 3. money. So true,

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread John Crisp
On 01/09/15 15:16, jfmxl wrote: > > It was RH in league with/fronting for the NSA. I'm not an ardent conspiracy theorist so that's one step too far for me personally, though I do understand your thinking. RH is more than capable of doing this itself for it's own ends. It is doing nothing illegal

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Jaromil
On Tue, 01 Sep 2015, John Crisp wrote: > On 01/09/15 15:16, jfmxl wrote: > > > > It was RH in league with/fronting for the NSA. > > I'm not an ardent conspiracy theorist so that's one step too far for me > personally, though I do understand your thinking. > > RH is more than capable of doing th

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread shraptor
On 2015-09-01 11:48, Laurent Bercot wrote: On 01/09/2015 10:29, Jaromil wrote: if you can confirm the plan of releasing r6-rc within september I confirm it. I am interested in r6-rc is there any place to read more about it or perhaps I have to wait for the release? ___

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Go Linux
On Tue, 9/1/15, Jaromil wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 8:37 AM [snip] > We do not need these sorts of debates here, we need to facilitate the > work of those

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 01/09/2015 15:50, shraptor wrote: I am interested in r6-rc is there any place to read more about it or perhaps I have to wait for the release? http://skarnet.org/s6-rc/ but you won't see much there until it's released. You can get a preliminary look, which includes some early documentation

Re: [DNG] Problem with debhelper

2015-09-01 Thread aitor_czr
It works, thanks !! Aitor. On 22/08/15 16:58, Rainer Weikusat wrote: "Use it as intended"? In case you want to create a package installing something in /usr/local (eg, because it's a "local" package not intended for standalone distribution), the dh_usrlocal step can be skipped: binary:

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread tilt!
Hello Mr. Zini, On 09/01/2015 07:14 PM, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 10:09:40AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: >> [...] I hope Enrico has time to have a look and perhaps include >> the patch upstream. >> > Unfortunately, most likely I will not: I only have time to work on nodm > when a cus

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Steven W. Scott
It wont be perfect until we have Powerbash. SWS ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread poitr pogo
i'm against moderation. if you find his posts disturbing use killfile instead. -- regards piotr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 01:59:55AM +0200, poitr pogo wrote: > i'm against moderation. > if you find his posts disturbing use killfile instead. I have to agree here. He's not spamming, he's expressing his unbounded enthusiasm for all things systemd (call it trolling if you want). Frankly, I've foun

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-09-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 15:50:43 +0200 shraptor wrote: > On 2015-09-01 11:48, Laurent Bercot wrote: > > On 01/09/2015 10:29, Jaromil wrote: > >> if you can confirm the plan of releasing r6-rc within september > > > > I confirm it. > > I am interested in r6-rc is there any place to read more about

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-09-01 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, This is a link to a post by keithpeter on forums.debian.net which looks encouraging notwithstanding the hard-to-workaround bugs that I am facing now. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=124343&p=591309#p591124 Thanks, keithpeter and all who boost my motivation to finish this projec