Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-02 Thread Mitt Green
Edward Bartolo wrote: >I am suggesting this name: >nm-devuan for network manager Devuan. I don't think it should contain Devuan word in it, as long as people from other communities will probably use it too. netconman for Network Connections Manager would be nice. My two cents, Mitt _

[DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-02 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi All, I did a google search for netman but I was presented with several pages of results always pointing to other similarly named commercial projects. Therefore, I am thinking about changing netman's name into a unique name so that users would be able to be directed to the proper sites. I am su

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Harald Arnesen
Steve Litt [2016-02-02 22:39]: > Chefs know what they're doing, but they still have fire extinguishers > with which to put out any fires. When the downside is severe enough, > safety measures are called for regardless of the skill of the operator. Amen! -- Hilsen Harald _

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Boruch Baum
Can anyone answer: 1] Does this vulnerability apply when the UEFI is operating in "legacy boot" mode instead of "secure boot" mode? I recall that when I was originally setting up my only UEFI-equipped device that there were differences between the two modes in how I needed to set up the partition

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 04:39:57PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 20:07:33 + > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > There are really only two options: > > > [snip] > > > > 2. Mount r/w and expect people messing around with the fs as superuser > >to know what they're doing. > >

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 20:07:33 + Rainer Weikusat wrote: > There are really only two options: > [snip] > > 2. Mount r/w and expect people messing around with the fs as superuser >to know what they're doing. Chefs know what they're doing, but they still have fire extinguishers with which t

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Steve Litt writes: > On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 10:49:10 +0100 Jaromil wrote: > >> On Tue, 02 Feb 2016, Wim wrote: >> >> >[2]https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402 >> >Well, you've probably guessed the answer - Won't fix. >> >> meanwhile, on the background, the usual bullying goes on

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-02-02 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 02/02/2016 16:42, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: Le 01/02/2016 22:38, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: Le 01/02/2016 17:52, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : there's a known upper bound for the maximum number of objects which will be needed Some applications ne

Re: [DNG] Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread fsmithred
On 02/02/2016 08:05 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: > Exposing my ignorance here, what would need to write to the EFI stuff ? That > article quotes someone as saying mounting it read-only would break some > userspace stuff - so what would it break and why does it need to write there ? > Not having actual

Re: [DNG] Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Massimo Coppola
Hi all, an occasional rant from you humble almost-lurker. From: Rainer Weikusat In all seriousness, what is the guy supposed to do if some less-than-informed person accidentally deletes something he'd better Let's not lose the point: while stupidly issuing rm -rf / was possibly intention

[DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-02-02 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Rainer Weikusat writes: > Didier Kryn writes: >> Le 01/02/2016 22:38, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : >>> Didier Kryn writes: Le 01/02/2016 17:52, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : > there's a known upper bound for the maximum number of objects which will > be needed Some applications n

Re: [DNG] Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread John Crisp
On 02/02/16 15:51, Steve Litt wrote: > > Poettering's final post reminds me so much of Don Armstrong on > Debian-User. "My way or the highway, no further discussion!" > LOL.. me too :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ D

Re: [DNG] Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Edward Bartolo writes: > This is enough evidence to be very vigilant where an OS uses systemd. > Breaking hardware is a very serious issue, will not fix is not acceptable > as a responsible reply. In all seriousness, what is the guy supposed to do if some less-than-informed person accidentally de

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-02-02 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn writes: > Le 01/02/2016 22:38, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : >> Didier Kryn writes: >>> Le 01/02/2016 17:52, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : there's a known upper bound for the maximum number of objects which will be needed >>> Some applications need to asynchronously create and

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Wim
The proposed fix is to mark it in fstab as read only... I was under the impression fstab was one of the things systemd wanted to replace/eradicate? 2016-02-02 16:15 GMT+01:00 Fernando M. Maresca : > On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 10:07:17AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > Back in the BIOS/MBR days, we had

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Fernando M. Maresca
On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 10:07:17AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Back in the BIOS/MBR days, we had a very thin, very tiny interface to > the pre-boot stuff. About the only way you could mess it up was to blow > a bios upgrade, so you were always *very* careful during that process. > But in every other

[DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 10:49:10 +0100 Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 02 Feb 2016, Wim wrote: > > >[2]https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402 > >Well, you've probably guessed the answer - Won't fix. > > meanwhile, on the background, the usual bullying goes on among the > systemd hooligans

Re: [DNG] Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 10:49:10 +0100 Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 02 Feb 2016, Wim wrote: > > >[2]https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402 > >Well, you've probably guessed the answer - Won't fix. > > meanwhile, on the background, the usual bullying goes on among the > systemd hooligans

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-02 Thread Simon Wise
On 02/02/16 22:22, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 02/02/2016 04:39, Simon Wise a écrit : so looking at apt.conf I see as the very first text 'DESCRIPTION' /etc/apt/apt.conf is the main configuration file shared by all the tools in the APT suite of tools, though it is by no means the only place options c

Re: [DNG] Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Edward Bartolo
This is enough evidence to be very vigilant where an OS uses systemd. Breaking hardware is a very serious issue, will not fix is not acceptable as a responsible reply. On Feb 2, 2016 2:25 PM, "Rainer Weikusat" wrote: > Jaromil writes: > > On Tue, 02 Feb 2016, Wim wrote: > > > >>[2]https://gi

Re: [DNG] Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Jaromil writes: > On Tue, 02 Feb 2016, Wim wrote: > >>[2]https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402 >>Well, you've probably guessed the answer - Won't fix. > > meanwhile, on the background, the usual bullying goes on among the > systemd hooligans, sarcastically liquidating the concern

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-02 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn writes: > Le 02/02/2016 04:39, Simon Wise a écrit : >> so looking at apt.conf I see as the very first text 'DESCRIPTION' [...] >> FILES >>/etc/apt/apt.conf >>APT configuration file. Configuration Item: >>Dir::Etc::Main. >> >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ >>

Re: [DNG] Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Simon Hobson
Jaromil wrote: > meanwhile, on the background, the usual bullying goes on among the > systemd hooligans, sarcastically liquidating the concern with some > cynical remarks, as if it would be a deserved punition for users > caught into a bricked laptop rather than an erased filesystem: > > http://

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-02 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Simon Wise writes: [...] > If you have the dedication to GUI and the resources of a global > mega-corporation it is possible to make a similar GUI actually respect > the under-lying settings ... but it is incredibly hard work, way > beyond almost any organisation. OSX did achieve this Not at al

Re: [DNG] Semi OT: Mailman, Lurker and referencing messages

2016-02-02 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 10:45:22 +0100 Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 02 Feb 2016, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > Another loose thought on this: To spare the mailing list machine(s) > > the additional burden of hashing, wouldn't it be sufficient to add > > a simple counter to mailman and make it inject the c

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-02 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 02/02/2016 04:39, Simon Wise a écrit : so looking at apt.conf I see as the very first text 'DESCRIPTION' /etc/apt/apt.conf is the main configuration file shared by all the tools in the APT suite of tools, though it is by no means the only place options can be set. The suite also

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 17, Issue 6

2016-02-02 Thread John Jensen
Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI - made The Register http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/02/delete_efivars_linux/ On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 5:48 AM, wrote: > Send Dng mailing list submissions to > dng@lists.dyne.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, vis

Re: [DNG] Semi OT: Mailman, Lurker and referencing messages

2016-02-02 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 10:45:22AM +0100, Jaromil wrote: [cut] > > I haven't look at any existing solution, but I believe that a good > approach would be to use the actual message-id: in the headers, which is > also an identifier to retrieve email from lurker. But I have no idea if > that header

Re: [DNG] Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-02 Thread Jaromil
On Tue, 02 Feb 2016, Wim wrote: >[2]https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402 >Well, you've probably guessed the answer - Won't fix. meanwhile, on the background, the usual bullying goes on among the systemd hooligans, sarcastically liquidating the concern with some cynical remarks,

Re: [DNG] Semi OT: Mailman, Lurker and referencing messages

2016-02-02 Thread Jaromil
On Tue, 02 Feb 2016, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 13:55:20 + > hellekin wrote: > > > I guess we can investigate and find out how to generate these from > > mailman, and then have a nice URL like: > > https://lurker.devuan.org/ to redirect to the relevant > > lurker message. T

Re: [DNG] Semi OT: Mailman, Lurker and referencing messages

2016-02-02 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 13:55:20 + hellekin wrote: > I guess we can investigate and find out how to generate these from > mailman, and then have a nice URL like: > https://lurker.devuan.org/ to redirect to the relevant > lurker message. This would also make Devuan Editors' lives easier > when wor