Re: [DNG] software that sucks

2016-04-25 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 07:55:44AM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > > > On April 26, 2016 4:36:04 AM GMT+09:00, Mitt Green > wrote: > > aitor_czr wrote: > > > >> Seeing that the kde project switched to > >> cmake i guess it might be not so ugly aswell. > > > >I suppose, KDE shouldn't be a role m

Re: [DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan

2016-04-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 02:01:46AM +0100, David Hare wrote: > On 26 April 2016 at 02:00, David Hare wrote: > > I recently did a devuan-based install on a quite new Dell laptop. > > Many things did not work properly (sound, wlan, touchpad). A newer > > "backport" kernel sorted it all. > > > > On 2

Re: [DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan

2016-04-25 Thread David Hare
On 26 April 2016 at 02:00, David Hare wrote: > I recently did a devuan-based install on a quite new Dell laptop. > Many things did not work properly (sound, wlan, touchpad). A newer > "backport" kernel sorted it all. > > On 25 April 2016 at 20:19, fuumind wrote: >> Hi! >> >> I am trying to get t

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

2016-04-25 Thread Simon Walter
On April 26, 2016 2:37:42 AM GMT+09:00, KatolaZ wrote: >On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 05:36:44PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: >> kato...@freaknet.org writes: >> >Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell I guess it might be >not >> >so ugly :) >> >> That's the Microsoft Windows argument: "Seei

Re: [DNG] software that sucks

2016-04-25 Thread Simon Walter
On April 26, 2016 4:36:04 AM GMT+09:00, Mitt Green wrote: > aitor_czr wrote: > >> Seeing that the kde project switched to >> cmake i guess it might be not so ugly aswell. > >I suppose, KDE shouldn't be a role model :) > > KatolaZ wrote: >> Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell >>

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-25 Thread Mitt Green
SpaceFM with udevil automounts external devices. Removing gvfs also means no automount in Thunar, apart from losing wastebasket. udevil works from console, too. / Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-25 Thread David Hare
gvfs* builds and works (at least for Jessie) without *systemd* deps, I have done it. I now use Adam's version (posted at angband.pl) for XFCE. My TDE systems don't need gvfs (nor anything else GTK) to handle usb mounts and "trash". My "debian purist" attitude against custom and 3rd-party builds, a

[DNG] software that sucks

2016-04-25 Thread Mitt Green
aitor_czr wrote: Seeing that the kde project switched to cmake i guess it might be not so ugly aswell. I suppose, KDE shouldn't be a role model :) KatolaZ wrote: Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell I guess it might be not so ugly :) These 90% don't know, such an ugly thing t

[DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan

2016-04-25 Thread fuumind
Hi! I am trying to get touchpad scrolling working on my new Devuan setup. So far I've figured out that it is probably pmouse that is driving the hardware by stealing the following from http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/131432/which-driver-is-handling-my-touchpad : lsmod|grep -iE "apple|

[DNG] problems with devuan iso on key

2016-04-25 Thread Haines Brown
Having too little time to spend struggling with a debootstrap cross install, I built a devuan installation USB key, first with unetbootin and then with a dd copy. Results the same in either case, so I'll just describe my experience with the second. I did # dd if=devuan-jessie-i386-alpha4-netboot.i

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-25 Thread Jim Murphy
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:29:18 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:21:50AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 04:01:33 + >> > Stephanie Daugherty wrote: >> > >> > > I'd like to see a long term focus on

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-25 Thread fsmithred
On 04/25/2016 11:17 AM, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 04/25/2016 04:54 PM, fsmithred wrote: >> You need to have gvfs installed if you want an icon to pop up on the >> desktop when you plug in a usb drive. You can have xfce without gvfs. I'm >> not sure about the other desktops. > > As far as i know, i

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

2016-04-25 Thread parazyd
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 05:47:15PM +0200, parazyd wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > > > > Perhaps my problem was that I unpacked the devuan.debian.tar.gz archive > > > on the target /mnt/debinist/usr/share. If instead I run > > > > >

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

2016-04-25 Thread Haines Brown
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 05:47:15PM +0200, parazyd wrote: > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > > Perhaps my problem was that I unpacked the devuan.debian.tar.gz archive > > on the target /mnt/debinist/usr/share. If instead I run > > > > # dpkg -i debootstrap_1.0.75-1+devuan1_all.deb > >

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

2016-04-25 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 05:36:44PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > kato...@freaknet.org writes: > >Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell I guess it might be not > >so ugly :) > > That's the Microsoft Windows argument: "Seeing that 90% use windows > it can't be so bad". > My comment was

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

2016-04-25 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Arnt Gulbrandsen writes: > kato...@freaknet.org writes: >> Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell I guess it might be not >> so ugly :) > > That's the Microsoft Windows argument: "Seeing that 90% use windows it > can't be so bad". FWIW: Countering "the KDE project uses ..., hence ..." wit

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-25 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:29:18 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:21:50AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 04:01:33 + > > Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > > > > > I'd like to see a long term focus on removing the entanglement > > > with other invasive depende

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

2016-04-25 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
kato...@freaknet.org writes: Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell I guess it might be not so ugly :) That's the Microsoft Windows argument: "Seeing that 90% use windows it can't be so bad". Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org htt

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

2016-04-25 Thread parazyd
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > I apologize for being so slow, but problems abound. I decided to try the > devuan installation with the installer ISO on a key. I used the > devuan-jessie-i386-alpha4-netboot.iso. However, when it came time to > download installation components from the

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

2016-04-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:17:23AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:59:54AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > > > On 04/25/2016 06:44 AM, Mitt Green wrote: > > [cut] > > > >CMake is written in C++, too, and is big and slow. > > >It's even worse than Autohell. > > > > > >Sorry for my

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-25 Thread aitor_czr
On 04/25/2016 04:54 PM, fsmithred wrote: You need to have gvfs installed if you want an icon to pop up on the desktop when you plug in a usb drive. You can have xfce without gvfs. I'm not sure about the other desktops. As far as i know, if your uninstall gvfs, you will lose the trash in the

Re: [DNG] exegnu-devuan

2016-04-25 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2016-04-25 at 15:54 +0100, David Hare wrote: > I just installed qemu again and successfully booted both the latest > unmodified Refracta and ExeGNU ISO's, through to the desktop, without > noticing any significant errors > > qemu-system-x86_64 -m 384 -cdrom snapshot_current.iso > > "snaps

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

2016-04-25 Thread Haines Brown
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:55:45PM +0200, parazyd wrote: > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > > > It installed a base system on the target disk mounted on > > /mnt/debinst. But that base system is apparently broken because of a > > version inconsistency: > > > > W: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:21:50AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 04:01:33 + > Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > > > I'd like to see a long term focus on removing the entanglement with > > other invasive dependencies, particularly those which are likely to > > be folded into system

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-25 Thread fsmithred
On 04/24/2016 04:46 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Aren't there two icewms, which differ in that they have different > capital letter in their names? One of which has more stuff than the > other? In the days when I used Debian, there was definitely more tham > one icewm on the desktop/wm menu. >

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

2016-04-25 Thread parazyd
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 09:37:24PM +0200, parazyd wrote: > > > Yes, debootstrap works on any system. Note that if you wish to bootstrap > > devuan systems, use devuan's debootstrap (which was fixed): > > https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/deb

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

2016-04-25 Thread aitor_czr
On 04/25/2016 12:17 PM, KatolaZ wrote: >On 04/25/2016 06:44 AM, Mitt Green wrote: [cut] > >CMake is written in C++, too, and is big and slow. > >It's even worse than Autohell. > > > >Sorry for my allergy to cee plus plus. It spreads > >to HTML ‎emails, too. > >Autohell vs Cmake once again.

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

2016-04-25 Thread Haines Brown
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 09:37:24PM +0200, parazyd wrote: > Yes, debootstrap works on any system. Note that if you wish to bootstrap > devuan systems, use devuan's debootstrap (which was fixed): > https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ Yes, I unarchived debootstrap_1.0.75-1+de

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

2016-04-25 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:59:54AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 04/25/2016 06:44 AM, Mitt Green wrote: [cut] > >CMake is written in C++, too, and is big and slow. > >It's even worse than Autohell. > > > >Sorry for my allergy to cee plus plus. It spreads > >to HTML ‎emails, too. > > Autohell

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

2016-04-25 Thread aitor_czr
On 04/25/2016 06:44 AM, Mitt Green wrote: Here you are an example about how to build a >gtkmm application using cmake: [...] Hey, Let me put my two cents in. I wouldn't be using both gtkmm and CMake. GTK+ by itself is not very beautiful (glib), GTK+3 just sucks, but gtkmm implements this usi

[DNG] Is it safe to remove udev on Devuan 64 bit?

2016-04-25 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, Since I have been away for the last few weeks I would like to ask whether udev's replacement is ready for Devuan 64 bit. I tried: apt-get -s remove udev which resulted in the following text output. I am concluding this means udev is still an essential dependency that cannot be removed yet.