Re: [DNG] software that sucks

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 07:55:44AM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > > > On April 26, 2016 4:36:04 AM GMT+09:00, Mitt Green > wrote: > > aitor_czr wrote: > > > >> Seeing that the kde project switched to > >> cmake i guess it might be not so ugly aswell. > > > >I suppose,

Re: [DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 02:01:46AM +0100, David Hare wrote: > On 26 April 2016 at 02:00, David Hare wrote: > > I recently did a devuan-based install on a quite new Dell laptop. > > Many things did not work properly (sound, wlan, touchpad). A newer > > "backport" kernel

Re: [DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan

On 26 April 2016 at 02:00, David Hare wrote: > I recently did a devuan-based install on a quite new Dell laptop. > Many things did not work properly (sound, wlan, touchpad). A newer > "backport" kernel sorted it all. > > On 25 April 2016 at 20:19, fuumind

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

On April 26, 2016 2:37:42 AM GMT+09:00, KatolaZ wrote: >On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 05:36:44PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: >> kato...@freaknet.org writes: >> >Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell I guess it might be >not >> >so ugly :) >> >> That's the Microsoft

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

SpaceFM with udevil automounts external devices. Removing gvfs also means no automount in Thunar, apart from losing wastebasket. udevil works from console, too. / Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

gvfs* builds and works (at least for Jessie) without *systemd* deps, I have done it. I now use Adam's version (posted at angband.pl) for XFCE. My TDE systems don't need gvfs (nor anything else GTK) to handle usb mounts and "trash". My "debian purist" attitude against custom and 3rd-party builds,

[DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan

Hi! I am trying to get touchpad scrolling working on my new Devuan setup. So far I've figured out that it is probably pmouse that is driving the hardware by stealing the following from http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/131432/which-driver-is-handling-my-touchpad : lsmod|grep -iE

[DNG] problems with devuan iso on key

Having too little time to spend struggling with a debootstrap cross install, I built a devuan installation USB key, first with unetbootin and then with a dd copy. Results the same in either case, so I'll just describe my experience with the second. I did # dd

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:29:18 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:21:50AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 04:01:33 + >> > Stephanie Daugherty

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

On 04/25/2016 11:17 AM, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 04/25/2016 04:54 PM, fsmithred wrote: >> You need to have gvfs installed if you want an icon to pop up on the >> desktop when you plug in a usb drive. You can have xfce without gvfs. I'm >> not sure about the other desktops. >

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 05:47:15PM +0200, parazyd wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > > > > Perhaps my problem was that I unpacked the devuan.debian.tar.gz archive > > > on the target /mnt/debinist/usr/share. If instead I run > > > >

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 05:47:15PM +0200, parazyd wrote: > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > > Perhaps my problem was that I unpacked the devuan.debian.tar.gz archive > > on the target /mnt/debinist/usr/share. If instead I run > > > > # dpkg -i debootstrap_1.0.75-1+devuan1_all.deb > >

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 05:36:44PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > kato...@freaknet.org writes: > >Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell I guess it might be not > >so ugly :) > > That's the Microsoft Windows argument: "Seeing that 90% use windows > it can't be so bad". > My comment

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:29:18 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:21:50AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 04:01:33 + > > Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > > > > > I'd like to see a long term focus on removing the

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

kato...@freaknet.org writes: Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell I guess it might be not so ugly :) That's the Microsoft Windows argument: "Seeing that 90% use windows it can't be so bad". Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > I apologize for being so slow, but problems abound. I decided to try the > devuan installation with the installer ISO on a key. I used the > devuan-jessie-i386-alpha4-netboot.iso. However, when it came time to > download installation components from the

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:17:23AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:59:54AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > > > On 04/25/2016 06:44 AM, Mitt Green wrote: > > [cut] > > > >CMake is written in C++, too, and is big and slow. > > >It's even worse than Autohell.

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

On 04/25/2016 04:54 PM, fsmithred wrote: You need to have gvfs installed if you want an icon to pop up on the desktop when you plug in a usb drive. You can have xfce without gvfs. I'm not sure about the other desktops. As far as i know, if your uninstall gvfs, you will

Re: [DNG] exegnu-devuan

On Mon, 2016-04-25 at 15:54 +0100, David Hare wrote: > I just installed qemu again and successfully booted both the latest > unmodified Refracta and ExeGNU ISO's, through to the desktop, without > noticing any significant errors > > qemu-system-x86_64 -m 384 -cdrom snapshot_current.iso > >

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:55:45PM +0200, parazyd wrote: > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > > > It installed a base system on the target disk mounted on > > /mnt/debinst. But that base system is apparently broken because of a > > version inconsistency: > > > > W:

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:21:50AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 04:01:33 + > Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > > > I'd like to see a long term focus on removing the entanglement with > > other invasive dependencies, particularly those which are likely to >

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

On 04/24/2016 04:46 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Aren't there two icewms, which differ in that they have different > capital letter in their names? One of which has more stuff than the > other? In the days when I used Debian, there was definitely more tham > one icewm on the desktop/wm menu.

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 09:37:24PM +0200, parazyd wrote: > > > Yes, debootstrap works on any system. Note that if you wish to bootstrap > > devuan systems, use devuan's debootstrap (which was fixed): > >

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

On 04/25/2016 12:17 PM, KatolaZ wrote: >On 04/25/2016 06:44 AM, Mitt Green wrote: [cut] > >CMake is written in C++, too, and is big and slow. > >It's even worse than Autohell. > > > >Sorry for my allergy to cee plus plus. It spreads > >to HTML ‎emails, too. >

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 09:37:24PM +0200, parazyd wrote: > Yes, debootstrap works on any system. Note that if you wish to bootstrap > devuan systems, use devuan's debootstrap (which was fixed): > https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ Yes, I unarchived

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:59:54AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 04/25/2016 06:44 AM, Mitt Green wrote: [cut] > >CMake is written in C++, too, and is big and slow. > >It's even worse than Autohell. > > > >Sorry for my allergy to cee plus plus. It spreads > >to HTML

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

On 04/25/2016 06:44 AM, Mitt Green wrote: Here you are an example about how to build a >gtkmm application using cmake: [...] Hey, Let me put my two cents in. I wouldn't be using both gtkmm and CMake. GTK+ by itself is not very beautiful (glib), GTK+3 just sucks, but

[DNG] Is it safe to remove udev on Devuan 64 bit?

Hi, Since I have been away for the last few weeks I would like to ask whether udev's replacement is ready for Devuan 64 bit. I tried: apt-get -s remove udev which resulted in the following text output. I am concluding this means udev is still an essential dependency that cannot be removed yet.

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

Steve Litt writes: I'm not sure the preceding sentence yields a mutual exclusivity, but yes, I really would like that history lesson, as this is something that has bothered me for a long time. The WM is regulated by the ICCCP, which basically talks about how windows interact with each other