On 07/13/2016 01:13 AM, Ozi Traveller wrote:
> I guess gnome is there default. However, they have instructions to allow
> the user to build a custom kali for themselves using live-build.
> http://docs.kali.org/development/live-build-a-custom-kali-iso
>
> Since Kali 2.0, we now support built in con
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, fsmithred wrote:
> On 07/13/2016 01:13 AM, Ozi Traveller wrote:
> > I guess gnome is there default. However, they have instructions to
> > allow the user to build a custom kali for themselves using
> > live-build.
> > http://docs.kali.org/development/live-build-a-custom-kali-
On 07/12/2016 06:07 PM, Simon Walter wrote:
On 07/12/2016 08:45 PM, vmlinux wrote:
don't need Kali. most network problems can be resolved with the basics
anyway: arping, arp, tcpdump, nslookup, traceroute, netcat, and
iptraf. thankfully all standard tools.
Problems, yes sure. What about
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, dev wrote:
> tasks. Why these devs do these things is beyond reason.
the main reason is that they are lazy and cannot bother to work their
way against the trend. you said it after all: they just curate
collections of other people's software and often get more credit and
donat
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 02:51:21PM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
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>
>
> I believe Kali is a great resource, a lot of well thought
> purpose-driven work was put in it before giving up to fancy desktop
> nonsense and its roots are anyway in the idea of a minimalist sharp
> tool. some of its arm buil
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2016/07/13/automotive_grade_linux_version_/#c_2916902
In the comments to this article :
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/13/automotive_grade_linux_version_/
> Pimp your ride with new Linux for cars and an rPi under the hood
> Automotive Grade Linux va
Nice! Thank you.
Here's a simple script I wrote for launching programs in X (dmenu_run
is overkill IMO):
---
#!/usr/bin/env bash
# Terminal emulator program (st is suckless.org simple terminal)
terminal=st
# Array of programs we want in our menu
programs=(cmus
emacs
firefox-
*sigh* apologies for the length. It was not what I intended..
tldr: "Go devuan! Debian 8 pinning does not work for me"
I don't have the thread anymore, but there was something posted
within the past couple days which led me to this link -- I think
it was something Steve posted; something about a
hi there,
thanks for the post. Also many others here and among VUAs have tried
the pinning before proceeding with the debianfork plan and spotted
many limitations. Pinning cannot work for serious production and
long-term use, this was our conclusion. In my eyes anyone saying that
Devuan can be su
dev wrote:
> I mention all this becuase I took the "deb 8" pinning challenge today
> and it failed miserably.
I tried something similar not long ago. It "almost" worked except that one
component of Clamav that the server in question needs has a dependency on
libsystemd0. The response from the
Hi,
If my memory serves me right, Debian have removed apt pinning and they
see nothing wrong in making more packages depend on systemd. That is
enough of an indicator to decide in favour of more choice.
Long Life Choice.
Edward
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, Simon Hobson wrote:
> That brings me to something I've been meaning to ask for a while. Is
> there anything practical I can do to help ?
well, besites being one of many nice people that are part of this
community :^) what comes to me in mind is the Distrowatch rating for
Devu
Hi, over on the Samba mailing list, somebody asked what '--with-systemd'
was for. It has now degenerated into a discussion on how to get systemd
to start the 'samba' deamon, after approx 50 posts on the subject, the
discussion is still going on.
I thought that they said systemd was better than
On 07/13/2016 09:42 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 02:51:21PM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>>
>>
>> I believe Kali is a great resource, a lot of well thought
>> purpose-driven work was put in it before giving up to fancy desktop
>> nonsense and its roots are anyway in the idea
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, Rowland Penny wrote:
> Hi, over on the Samba mailing list, somebody asked what '--with-systemd' was
> for. It has now degenerated into a discussion on how to get systemd to start
> the 'samba' deamon, after approx 50 posts on the subject, the discussion is
> still going on.
>
Hullo, I'm the rat bastard who wrote
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/openrc-conversion.html and is thus
either ignorant or a very sadistic systemd hooligan.
Hi, Jaromil! You and I have corresponded in e-mail, and you'll recall
that I like Devuan, appreciate its work, and follow it with interes
Apologies for broken threading, but I'm responding to selected recent
comments from the Web archive, having just subscribed.
Edward Bartolo wrote:
> If my memory serves me right, Debian have removed apt pinning...
Happily, I can report that this is not the case, from direct
investigation on the
dear Rick,
yes I recall your help facing that meshuggah guy aggressing me and the
whole drama and the wikipedia cancelation and all that at the
beginning of Devuan. and I really appreciated your words of
encouragement, advice and experience :^)
Now I must admit having commented on the thread wi
Quoting Jaromil (jaro...@dyne.org):
> yes I recall your help facing that meshuggah guy aggressing me and the
> whole drama and the wikipedia cancelation and all that at the
> beginning of Devuan. and I really appreciated your words of
> encouragement, advice and experience :^)
You are entirely we
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:14:18AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Hullo, I'm the rat bastard who wrote
> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/openrc-conversion.html and is thus
> either ignorant or a very sadistic systemd hooligan.
>
> Hi, Jaromil! You and I have corresponded in e-mail, and you'll recal
On 07/13/2016 09:20 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
That's why, although I appreciate efforts like yours and those of a
dozen more who have been experimenting with pinning (we have done that
as well, for months)
Can you explain what is the *essential difference* between
Pin-Priority: -1 for systemd package
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> I personally don't see the reason for such a reaction on your side
> Rick (BTW, welcome here :)), but I am sure I am missing something. I
> personally believe that all the work to avoid and contain systemd and
> other nonsense is valuable, independently of
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 01:56:02PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
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Wait :) First of all, I might have been unclear in the previous email,
but I really appreciate your work, and that of others who are making
an effort to contain systemd. So there is no reason to start a fight:
that's not my intentio
Jaromil wrote:
>> Hi, over on the Samba mailing list, somebody asked what '--with-systemd' was
>> for. It has now degenerated into a discussion on how to get systemd to start
>> the 'samba' deamon,
There's also been a short thread on the MythTV mailing list about how to get
the MythTV Frontend
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:14:18 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Hullo, I'm the rat bastard who wrote
> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/openrc-conversion.html and is thus
> either ignorant or a very sadistic systemd hooligan.
>
> Hi, Jaromil! You and I have corresponded in e-mail, and you'll recall
> t
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> Wait :) First of all, I might have been unclear in the previous email,
> but I really appreciate your work, and that of others who are making
> an effort to contain systemd. So there is no reason to start a fight:
> that's not my intention at all, and woul
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> Deeeude, that's not what you're saying over on SVLUG. I quote:
>
> * Far as I can tell, Devuan was a operatic overreaction, and by no means
> the most efficient way to deal with the problem.
>
> * "Nor did it merit a fork, IMO."
>
> * "Th
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:59:40 +0100
Simon Hobson wrote:
> Jaromil wrote:
> There's also been a short thread on the MythTV mailing list about how
> to get the MythTV Frontend to only start after there's a working
> network. It started with a user reporting that after upgrading his
> MythBuntu ins
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:05:44 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
>
> > Deeeude, that's not what you're saying over on SVLUG. I quote:
> >
> > * Far as I can tell, Devuan was a operatic overreaction, and by no
> > means the most efficient way to deal with
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> In lieu of the apology I'll post links to the emails from which I took
> those quotes, so all interested can see their context in the email and
> in the thread:
Absolutely. I would really appreciate everyone seeing the full context
and noting the
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:14:18 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Hullo, I'm the rat bastard who wrote
> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/openrc-conversion.html and is thus
> either ignorant or a very sadistic systemd hooligan.
See here's the thing. There's nothing wrong with
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Deb
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> The only problem comes in when you express the opinion (and fair
> enough, you state it's your opinion) that forking Debian was whichever expression you want>, without adding the vital words "for my
> use case." Had you added those four words, the
Hi all,
I just added the dmenu hotkey instructions for Xfce and Openbox to the
existing instructions for LXDE. The document's now useable to the
majority of Devuan users (I think).
SteveT
Steve Litt
July 2016 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques
of the Successful Technologist
http://w
Hi all,
When installing, you get to pick which window manager you want. Trouble
is, there's no obvious way to change your window manager after the
fact. Somebody needs to document how to do this, and keep the document
in an obvious place, with a link from the top of our documentation tree.
SteveT
Following up on 'DE doesn't let user shutdown/reboot'.
I wrote:
> I've heard of some DE glue not working if you lack PolKit and/or upower
> _by default_, but can't remember details. It was something like XFCE4's
> shutdown graphical controls didn't work until you retofit optional
> package blah
Hi,
Lately, I have been noticing repeatedly that sending mail to "Studying
C as told. (For help)" results in mail being sent to "Re: [DNG]
Studying C as told. (For help)". My repeated emails at the end of the
latter are the result of my attempts to send main to the proper
thread.
Why is this happ
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:34 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> When installing, you get to pick which window manager you want.
> Trouble is, there's no obvious way to change your window manager
> after the fact. Somebody needs to document how to do this, and keep
> the document in an obvious
On 14/07/16 17:27, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:34 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> When installing, you get to pick which window manager you want.
>> Trouble is, there's no obvious way to change your window manager
>> after the fact. Somebody needs to document how to
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 03:54:46PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
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>
> > I am pretty sure I have never raised any critique to your work. I have
> > just stressed that I *believe* that, given the current attitude of
> > systemd & co., that consists into eating as much as they can of almost
> > anyt
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 07:32:11PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
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>
> And I'm not the one who sought to wave that in the faces of the Dng
> mailing list, either. You are. Because, I rather suspect, you wanted
> to engineer a confrontation between me and the Devuan Project.
> Unfortunately, this
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