Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

On 07/19/2016 11:53 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: ... All that talk about multiseat being important or even relevant today is IMO bullshit. ... Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to mind. There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you.

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

Quoting Brad Campbell (lists2...@fnarfbargle.com): > Rick I completely understand that sentiment, and none of my servers > have a GUI on them. I just "assumed" (yeah, my mistake) that display > managers were used only on single user desktop machines. Predominantly, to be sure. In the mid 1990s,

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 09:38:07AM +0800, Brad Campbell wrote: > So all that rambling comes back to "why do I need to know my root password > to halt or reboot the machine from the login screen?" Because half a century ago you had plenty of users per machine. Rebooting obviously destroyed the

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

On 19/07/16 10:43, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Brad Campbell (lists2...@fnarfbargle.com): This is one I find interesting. I've never used an operating system where it was required to know root credentials to halt or reboot the machine from the login screen. Remember, Unix is a multiuser

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

Quoting Brad Campbell (lists2...@fnarfbargle.com): > This is one I find interesting. I've never used an operating system > where it was required to know root credentials to halt or reboot the > machine from the login screen. Remember, Unix is a multiuser operating system, and also one supporting

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:07:01AM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > I am pretty sure it's trivial to install a different login manager > if SLiM is not to your liking. Or has systemd crept into the rest of > them? No, lightdm is installable and systemd free on devuan. That along with

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

On 07/19/2016 10:38 AM, Brad Campbell wrote: On 19/07/16 00:37, Steve Litt wrote: SPECIAL USERNAMES For instance, to reboot the computer from the login screen, type in the username "reboot" (without the quotes), then when asked for the password put the root password, and it reboots. ... This

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

On 19/07/16 00:37, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, SPECIAL USERNAMES The login screen has no controls other than the input field. So how do you reboot, halt or go to a console from the login screen? The answer is, you use a special username. For instance, to reboot the computer from the login

Re: [DNG] Open-RC on devuan - some questions

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:30:12 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > We want to avoid overlapping openrc scripts with sysvinit > scripts. I can't even begin to imagine the mess with their scripts in any way overlapped, commingled, interchangeable, etc. Eeeuu! > This is the major reason

Re: [DNG] Open-RC on devuan - some questions

Am Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:30:07 + schrieb Jaromil : Hi Jaromil! > this is precisely what Parazyd has recommended to do, while looking > into the plan to make a openrc package on ascii. we also have contact > with genoo maintainers and good understanding of their approach. > >

Re: [DNG] with or without libsystemd0

Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:54:44AM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > > Pretty cool trick. I tried it and got mixed results. I'm running without > > libsystemd0 here, so I can't have gvfs-daemons. That means there's no > > trash icon on the desktop and

Re: [DNG] Open-RC on devuan - some questions

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:12:37 +0200 wrote: > Hi! > > On the road to a viable jwm desktop in devuan, i am using/trying > open-rc. In advance, my excuses if what follows is not sufficiently > technical. > > To the point: From Manjaro-OpenRC i knew openrc as a clean and

Re: [DNG] Open-RC on devuan - some questions

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > > It would be nice to have openrc implemented as it is in gentoo or > manjaro: with the to essential directories: this is precisely what Parazyd has recommended to do, while looking into the plan to make a openrc package on ascii. we also have

[DNG] Open-RC on devuan - some questions

Hi! On the road to a viable jwm desktop in devuan, i am using/trying open-rc. In advance, my excuses if what follows is not sufficiently technical. To the point: From Manjaro-OpenRC i knew openrc as a clean and logical system to manage daemons & processes. By far, from a user point of view,

[DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

Hi all, Until documentation or on-screen instructions make this unnecessary, this email serves to document various actions the user can perform while on Devuan's login screen. The login screen is that screen that asks for your username, and then after that, it asks for your password. It typically

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 11:29:25PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > On 07/18/2016 11:06 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:16:03AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >>Hi, > >> > >>Simon Walker wrote: > > > >> > >><< > >>Can you explain how a computer works to a child or perhaps a

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

On 07/18/2016 11:06 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:16:03AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi, Simon Walker wrote: << Can you explain how a computer works to a child or perhaps a rubber duck? You place a child at the same level as a rubber duck?! A child can understand

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Le 18/07/2016 14:54, fsmithred a écrit : With a dummy equivs libsystemd0, I get a trash icon that works, but the removable drives don't show up on the desktop. When I remove the dummy package and install the real libsystemd0, removables show up and mount/eject work as expected. I would

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:16:03AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > Simon Walker wrote: > > << > Can you explain how a computer works to a child or perhaps a rubber duck? > >> > You place a child at the same level as a rubber duck?! A child can > understand provided any concepts used are

[DNG] with or without libsystemd0

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:54:44AM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > On 07/16/2016 05:12 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > > You probably wouldn't even like removing libsystemd0 entirely and > > replacing it with an 'equivs' recipe, which could also be done if one > > really, really, really were concerned. > > > >

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On 07/16/2016 05:12 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > You probably wouldn't even like removing libsystemd0 entirely and > replacing it with an 'equivs' recipe, which could also be done if one > really, really, really were concerned. > > But, for those interested in that technique, see: 'How To Satisfy >

Re: [DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install

Thank you, Matt. I appreciate the feedback. I've filed a couple bugs against mysql-server and mariadb-server. Either they should depend on some syslog or they should their installation scripts should be written to detect a logger and function accordingly. Hopefully someone will get a move on.

Re: [DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install

Replying to myself: http://docs.slackware.com/howtos:databases:install_mariadb_on_slackware Is probably the order I had to do things. Note the changing of permissions. Whether this has any relevance to your issue or not I don't know. I'll be under my rock if you wish to ignore me. Matt

Re: [DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install

This sounds very familiar. Though I think I was using Slackware installing from slack builds. My hand written notes say something about mysql_install_db --user=... Left the /var/lib/mysql/ with the wrong permissions. Or something. And something to do with running mysql_secure_installation

Re: [DNG] Inform DNG users their email has been moved.

Hi All, I will cut it short. Hopefully, I find someone, a university professor, to give me feedback even if I need to pay for it. I will NOT stand abusers brainwashing me into persuasion that I am not fit to code. My project works like many commercial projects: that is what counts. Words come

Re: [DNG] Gaffer tape: was Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Steve Litt wrote: >> Gaffer tape and {duct|duck} tape are different products. Gaffer tape >> is less adhesive and is designed to be removed easily. It is more >> expensive :-) Ah yes, you are correct - but few sellers give enough information to decide what is what.

[DNG] ..rubber duck party convention, was: Larcenous mail threads.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:16:03 +0200, Edward wrote in message

Re: [DNG] Inform DNG users their email has been moved.

I'm sorry about how this is going, but I can't do anything about it. Also I have no idea about the "moved email" issue. dng is pretty much a default mailman setup since the beginning, nothing changed recently. there is no approval needed to post (aka emergency moderation) and only

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

Edward, Do you realize you have been consuming a large fraction of the "bandwidth" of this mailing list for your own e-learning of the C language and of Linux OS, and for expressing your pathos about the reactions of others? This list has a lot of short-lived off-topic (or

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

Hi, Simon Walker wrote: << Edward, you need to read a 101 computing book or a take primer in CS - and have some patience. It takes time to learn something. Don't expect so much from yourself. >> Do you realise you are not talking to a child? "101 computing" is aimed for children. << Put down