Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-06 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > I'm suggesting that spending a lot of valuable dev time knocking a few > seconds off* an install isn't the best use of that resource. I wasn't suggesting a distro installer checkbox item offering local recursive nameservice for use during installat

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-06 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: > Why settle for bad when you can have excellent for free? But you don't > see it, so we're wasting time talking. Actually I do see exactly what you are saying - and I have come across resolvers with poor performance. For **for the duration of an install**, just how many DNS

Re: [DNG] [OT] setnet v0.2: a shell script for network config

2017-01-06 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Jan 06, 2017 at 10:44:34AM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > Does it shiw correctly with "iw dev"? That's iw from > http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw/ I'm currently running the armhf image testing another issue I'm preparing to report. If someone doesn't answer before I w

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-06 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > So, OK add it as an option in an advanced level install. That would be pointless. I've already detailed why. This is just a complicated way of saying 'We're not bothering'. If you-all don't want to bother, fine. Do it the simple way, by doing n

Re: [DNG] On a lighter note

2017-01-06 Thread Fred DC
On 06/01/2017 20:27, Dan Purgert wrote: Maybe I missed something in the original mail - I read Fred's mail as a "ha, lookie you RedHat, getting the same 'X is now considered legacy' statements made about one of your things"... Spot on, it was a spoof on RedHat. Don't they keep on telling us th

Re: [DNG] On a lighter note

2017-01-06 Thread Dan Purgert
On 01/06/2017 12:26 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:05:34 + > Simon Hobson wrote: > >> Fred DC wrote: >> >>> My apologies for not realizing that this is an *anti-systemd* >>> mailinglist. >> >> Dunno if that was supposed to be sarcasm or not ... >> >> The list isn't "anti-s

Re: [DNG] On a lighter note

2017-01-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:05:34 + Simon Hobson wrote: > Fred DC wrote: > > > My apologies for not realizing that this is an *anti-systemd* > > mailinglist. > > Dunno if that was supposed to be sarcasm or not ... > > The list isn't "anti-systemd" - it's pro-freedom. It's just that > systemd

Re: [DNG] [OT] setnet v0.2: a shell script for network config

2017-01-06 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Jan 06, 2017 at 11:57:28AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > Oh Oh, > > The new setnet.sh is more busted than the old. You fixed the part about > enps0 not being configurable, thank you, but now when I say configure > and it lists enps0 and I press Enter, instead of giving me a further

Re: [DNG] [OT] setnet v0.2: a shell script for network config

2017-01-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:23:59 + KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Jan 06, 2017 at 10:44:34AM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 04:07:48PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 10:08:52PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > Steve, that's already been fixed. The dete

Re: [DNG] On a lighter note

2017-01-06 Thread Emiliano Marini
Well said. On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: > Fred DC wrote: > > > My apologies for not realizing that this is an *anti-systemd* > mailinglist. > > Dunno if that was supposed to be sarcasm or not ... > > The list isn't "anti-systemd" - it's pro-freedom. It's just that system

Re: [DNG] On a lighter note

2017-01-06 Thread Simon Hobson
Fred DC wrote: > My apologies for not realizing that this is an *anti-systemd* mailinglist. Dunno if that was supposed to be sarcasm or not ... The list isn't "anti-systemd" - it's pro-freedom. It's just that systemd is anti-freedom, and so being pro-freedom can appear to be anti-systemd. Or p

Re: [DNG] On a lighter note

2017-01-06 Thread Fred DC
On 06/01/2017 14:59, Anto wrote: I am not sure why BlankOn Linux is being bought up into this anti systemd mailing list. They clearly endorse systemd and follow debian, https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=id&u=http://dev.blankonlinux.or.id/ticket/1415. But hey, this is an open mail

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-06 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: >> IFF we are going to put stuff in to work around problems for one set >> of edge cases (and IMO it's debatable whether we should), then why not >> also cater for what is possibly a larger group of edge cases ? Your >> argument seems to be "this is the only set of edge cases I'm

Re: [DNG] On a lighter note

2017-01-06 Thread Anto
On 06/01/17 11:03, Fred DC wrote: Just for the fun. Does Gnome3 (aka RH) know that they use a technology which is considered by some a legacy technology? Me thinks, that maybe by the time s*d is more than just useable it might also be considered a legacy init-scheme. Quoting from the Release

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-06 Thread Rick Moen
I just realised I probably need to correct an error: > PowerDNS Recursor is the recursive-server matching element to PowerDNS > Authoritative Server from the same folks. Both are back-ended into SQL > databases (default MyS

Re: [DNG] [OT] setnet v0.2: a shell script for network config

2017-01-06 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Jan 06, 2017 at 10:44:34AM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 04:07:48PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 10:08:52PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > > > Steve, that's already been fixed. The detection of interface type is > > > implemented using iwconfig now

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-06 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > IFF we are going to put stuff in to work around problems for one set > of edge cases (and IMO it's debatable whether we should), then why not > also cater for what is possibly a larger group of edge cases ? Your > argument seems to be "this is the o

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-01-06 Thread Simon Hobson
On 5 Jan 2017, at 23:33, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): >> Rick Moen wrote: >> >>> Without objection, I'll point out that one leading advantage of a local >>> recursive server (what you probably mean when you say 'caching DNS >>> server'[1]) is that it Just W

[DNG] On a lighter note

2017-01-06 Thread Fred DC
Just for the fun. Does Gnome3 (aka RH) know that they use a technology which is considered by some a legacy technology? Me thinks, that maybe by the time s*d is more than just useable it might also be considered a legacy init-scheme. Quoting from the Release Notes of the BlankOn Distro: BlankO

Re: [DNG] [OT] setnet v0.2: a shell script for network config

2017-01-06 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 04:07:48PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 10:08:52PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > > Steve, that's already been fixed. The detection of interface type is > > implemented using iwconfig now, and is not based on interface names > > any more. > > That isn't go

Re: [DNG] [OT] setnet v0.2: a shell script for network config

2017-01-06 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 04:07:48PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 10:08:52PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > > Steve, that's already been fixed. The detection of interface type is > > implemented using iwconfig now, and is not based on interface names > > any more. > > That isn't go