Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:26:47 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > let me just add that - as we will be out with the release candidate > and the stable release very soon now - we count on all of you here to > show maturity and not feed the trolls who will be coming attracted by > Devuan's

[DNG] cairo packaging and Makefile.am.features

Hi folks, (xposting to cairo, debian maintainers and devuan list) I'm currently packaging recent cairo (w/ drm patches) for several deb Distros, and ran into trouble w/ missing Makefile.am.features files. Debian just adds these files directly (along w/ other stuff, eg. some prebuit docs -

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Il 13/04/2017 16:55, Rick Moen ha scritto: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> This is what can be logically inferred from what you wrote. > No. Yep. > I'm sorry this conversation was not fruitful, which as mentioned is why I have > disengaged. Have a great day.

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:49:53 -0400, Renaud wrote in message <20170413094953.0b06f...@ron.cerrocora.org>: > On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:04:57 +0200 > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > > Well, the official policy, insofar as there is one, appears to > > > > be that Devuan is about choice.

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On 2017-04-13 11:44, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:57:09AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: ... ... Systemd is not an init system; it is an operating system. Devuan runs a Gnu/Linux OS which is not Systemd. Even if the two are using almost the same kernel, they aren't the same

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:57:09AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: ... ... > > Systemd is not an init system; it is an operating system. Devuan runs a > Gnu/Linux OS which is not Systemd. Even if the two are using almost the same > kernel, they aren't the same OS. The most typical effect of this is

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > This is what can be logically inferred from what you wrote. No. I'm sorry this conversation was not fruitful, which as mentioned is why I have disengaged. Have a great day. ___ Dng mailing

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 05:32:05 -0400, Renaud wrote in message <20170413053205.3a7e6...@ron.cerrocora.org>: > On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 22:32:32 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Well, the official policy, insofar as there is one, appears to be > > that Devuan is about choice.

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 at 14:18:34 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> As sudo can be made to operate either requiring the user to type his >> own password or no password, stating (now) that just "a particular usage >> model" of

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 22:32:32 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > Well, the official policy, insofar as there is one, appears to be that > Devuan is about choice. Therefore, it should make available (1) the > choice to do without systemd and (2) the choice to use systemd. The

Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

Hi KatolaZ, ... and sorry for my delay... On 04/11/2017 02:00 PM, KatolaZ wrote: Thanks aitor. It would be great to have vdev in ascii, innit? Yes, it should be added in asci/ceres, not in jessie. Do you think it might be possible to try building the vdev package

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

Le 13/04/2017 07:03, Steve Litt a écrit : On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 22:32:32 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 08:13:46PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: On 04/12/2017 11:58 AM, Steve Litt wrote: [...] Systemd actively sabotages the ability to replace it,

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Mi den 12. Apr 2017 um 16:58 schrieb Steve Litt: > I have no knowledge of the origin of this thread, probably having to do > with my .procmailrc /dev/nulling certain people. But I have a very > clear message about this thread's subject: There's

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

Am 2017-04-13 04:32, schrieb Hendrik Boom: Devuan is about choice. Therefore, it should make available (1) the choice to do without systemd and (2) the choice to use systemd. This is impossible with a binary distribution. systemd is not only an init system, it pervades the whole system. You