Before we cast stones at Gnome, let's remember that the Debian project from
which Devuan is descended has done a good many screwed up things in its
history, besides locking their distribution into systemd. We can't pose as
paragons of virtue.
I support getting GNOME to be available out-of-the-box
On 06/17/2017 01:25 PM, Bruce Perens wrote:
Can we be a little more focused, please? Gnome went for systemd. While I
don't think it was a good decision, it should not cause you to write off
the entirety of Gnome for their lack of philososophical purity.
A philosophical purity issue would be a co
On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 22:18:16 +0200
Dragan FOSS wrote:
> On 17.06.2017. 17:26, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > Are you nuts ?
>
> There are rumors, but there is no official evidence :)
>
> >excusing the Gnome project for the
> > *horrible design decisions* they've made.
>
> If you don'
Dragan FOSS wrote:
> On 17.06.2017. 17:26, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> >Are you nuts ?
>
> There are rumors, but there is no official evidence :)
>
> >excusing the Gnome project for the
> >*horrible design decisions* they've made.
>
> If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't impose y
On 17.06.2017. 17:26, Steve Litt wrote:
Are you nuts ?
There are rumors, but there is no official evidence :)
excusing the Gnome project for the
*horrible design decisions* they've made.
If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't impose your *design*
opinions on others and
On 17.06.2017. 19:46, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
The only interesting information would be: "Is it possible to install and run Gnome
without having installed systemd ?"
Of course it is possible...TRIOS is proof of concept for that.
the only part that does not work(although it must be install
can't do this at the moment, my computer screen is messed up on my
devuan ascii computer. alas...
and I don't want to wait two hours to reinstall the whole damn thing...
so I am at a crossroads.
;/ oh well but thank you for telling me about this.
When I get it fixed, I will gladly try it out.
O
On 06/17/2017 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 03:39:28 +0200
> Dragan FOSS wrote:
>
>> On 17.06.2017. 03:09, Gary Olzeke wrote:
>>> and XFCE is Devuan's initial Desktop too!
>> Hm? Currently, I'm using GNOME 3 ;>
> Are you nuts ?
>
> :-)
>
> Gnome3 and systemd are
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> Would it prevent you from installing runit or s6 or Suckless Init +
> daemontools-encore + LittKit or Epoch?
In my experiments with Debian's init system packages on Debian 8
'Jessie', I had no problems installing and using the OpenRC or runit
pack
On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:25:59 +
Bruce Perens wrote:
> Can we be a little more focused, please? Gnome went for systemd. While I
> don't think it was a good decision, it should not cause you to write off
> the entirety of Gnome for their lack of philososophical purity. Debuan is
> built to prote
Can we be a little more focused, please? Gnome went for systemd. While I
don't think it was a good decision, it should not cause you to write off
the entirety of Gnome for their lack of philososophical purity. Debuan is
built to protect your choices, not to rule some of them out for political
rathe
On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 03:39:28 +0200
Dragan FOSS wrote:
> On 17.06.2017. 03:09, Gary Olzeke wrote:
> > and XFCE is Devuan's initial Desktop too!
>
> Hm? Currently, I'm using GNOME 3 ;>
Are you nuts ?
:-)
Gnome3 and systemd are long time lovers in the tightest and most
entangled em
I wouldn't have systemd on my system, PID1 or otherwise, for the same
reason I kicked all KDE apps and libs off my computer in 2013:
monolithically entangled complexity that leads to instability if it ever
gets run, directly or indirectly. The first couple years it was hard for
me to run a system w
On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:22:16 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de):
>
> > how does one remove that package without removing anything else?
> >
> > I mean how do you remove it from being depended on by nearly every
> > bit of software...
> >
> > I want to install openrc so
On Sat, 2017-06-17 at 05:59 -0400, zap wrote:
> okay, then. The computer I have it on needs some work anyways.
Hi zap,
Did you see my mail? I can send you the packages
libfdisk1 2.29.2-1+devuan1
util-linux2.29.2-1+devuan1
until they are available if you are on i386. Then you can try open
okay, then. The computer I have it on needs some work anyways.
On 06/17/2017 04:27 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 04:24:04AM -0400, zap wrote:
>> No I never said that openrc requires systemd or libsystemd0 matter of
>> fact it would remove the libsystemd0 and most of the software on
Le 15/06/2017 à 17:52, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 12:39:32 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 01:27:19PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
No chance of getting things like this reduced from "depends" to
"recommends", I suppose?
I asked the maintainer if he could do that,
On Sat, 2017-06-17 at 06:56 +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 09:17:46PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > > > The presence of libsystemd0, albeit annoying, doesn't prevent
> > > > you from
> > > > installing and using OpenRC.
> > > >
True!
> > when I try install openrc, all it ask
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 04:24:04AM -0400, zap wrote:
> No I never said that openrc requires systemd or libsystemd0 matter of
> fact it would remove the libsystemd0 and most of the software on my
> devuan ascii install.
>
OK. As I said, please hold fire with openrc on ascii, since those
packages a
No I never said that openrc requires systemd or libsystemd0 matter of
fact it would remove the libsystemd0 and most of the software on my
devuan ascii install.
On 06/17/2017 01:40 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 08:55:44PM -0400, zap wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>> depends, for me I cannot inst
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