Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-07-02 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > It cannot work if what you need to do is feeding the HD controller some > proprietary firmware that cannot legally be embedded in the GPL driver. ITYM that the resulting derivative work cannot be lawfully redistributed. But compiling the

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-02 Thread Bruce Perens
This might make a little more sense if you still can't understand: By operating under their previously-stated policy of denying further service to clients who exercise their right to distribute under the GPL license, Open Source Security Inc. creates an expectation that exercise of the

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-07-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 at 01:03:13 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 00:42:52 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message > <20170703004252.748a9c7f@ayu>: > >> Il giorno Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:38:11 +0200 >> Didier Kryn ha scritto: >> >>> Le 28/06/2017 à 15:40,

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-02 Thread Bruce Perens
The specific text breached is "You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein." On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > My legal counsel says it's a direct breach of the license, not of business > law. > > By

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-02 Thread Bruce Perens
My legal counsel says it's a direct breach of the license, not of business law. By the way, the next issue of Berkeley Technology Law Journal has this article which I co-authored with a law

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-07-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 3 Jul at 2017 01:03:13 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 00:42:52 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message > <20170703004252.748a9c7f@ayu>: > >> Il giorno Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:38:11 +0200 >> Didier Kryn ha scritto: >> >>> Le 28/06/2017 à 15:40,

Re: [DNG] OPENRC now works! thank you Svante for your patience

2017-07-02 Thread zap
Just to make it clear, I have replied once more with the title changed... I have donated 10$ to devuan as a thanks. I am not super rich, but I have done what I can. so thank you. On 07/02/2017 04:34 PM, zap wrote: > > On 07/02/2017 04:25 PM, Svante Signell wrote: >> On Sun, 2017-07-02 at 14:51

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-07-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 00:42:52 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message <20170703004252.748a9c7f@ayu>: > Il giorno Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:38:11 +0200 > Didier Kryn ha scritto: > > > Le 28/06/2017 à 15:40, Stephan Seitz a écrit : > > > And today you should always encrypt your discs. > > >

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-07-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
Il giorno Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:38:11 +0200 Didier Kryn ha scritto: > Le 28/06/2017 à 15:40, Stephan Seitz a écrit : > > And today you should always encrypt your discs. > > I don't see any reason to encrypt /usr. You might like to encrypt > /etc because it contains user

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-07-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 at 08:09:21 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Stephan Seitz (stse+dev...@fsing.rootsland.net): > > > That the kernel can’t find the root filesystem if it is encrypted? > > And the kernel lacks the capability to ask you for the password. > > If you're

Re: [DNG] How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii

2017-07-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 2 Jul 2017 14:21:04 -0400, zap wrote in message <4ab545b8-d9ba-e8d4-df1e-fa8a0c73e...@posteo.de>: > On 07/02/2017 11:09 AM, Svante Signell wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Seems like max file size is 40k for the mailing list, so the mail to > > the list is blocked. zap, did the attached files

Re: [DNG] Beware the Icedove to Thunderbird transition

2017-07-02 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Jul 02, 2017 at 01:05:06PM -0400, Clark Sideroad wrote: > My advice: back-up everything related Bad advice: just do the upgrade normally without any special precautions, and if your special non-standard $Element$Bird setup gets borked, just recover from backups you do anyway. No special

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-07-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 at 22:57:16 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting John Morris (jmor...@beau.org): > >> Nope, that negates one of the principle reasons to use an initramfs in >> the first place. You assume the stock kernel can see the drive where >> you intend to put this new

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sat, 01 Jul 2017 at 23:05:08 + Bruce Perens wrote: > It is the fact that the two actions are connected that makes it a breach. > There are very many actions that are legal in isolation, but not when one > is carried out as a consequence of another. The most common

Re: [DNG] How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii

2017-07-02 Thread zap
On 07/02/2017 04:25 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > On Sun, 2017-07-02 at 14:51 -0400, zap wrote: >> I appear to be getting conflicts, so I must need sysvinit-utils in >> deb >> form. >> this probably is the last thing I need at the moment to make it >> work... > Sorry, but you have to show us what

Re: [DNG] How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii

2017-07-02 Thread Svante Signell
On Sun, 2017-07-02 at 14:51 -0400, zap wrote: > > I appear to be getting conflicts, so I must need sysvinit-utils in > deb > form. > this probably is the last thing I need at the moment to make it > work... Sorry, but you have to show us what conflicts you see... And your /etc/apt/sources.list,

Re: [DNG] How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii

2017-07-02 Thread zap
On 07/02/2017 02:51 PM, zap wrote: > > I appear to be getting conflicts, so I must need sysvinit-utils in deb > form. > this probably is the last thing I need at the moment to make it work... Actually, sysvinit-utils and util-linux refuse to upgrade. I keep getting a dumb error that says:

Re: [DNG] How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii

2017-07-02 Thread zap
I appear to be getting conflicts, so I must need sysvinit-utils in deb form. this probably is the last thing I need at the moment to make it work... On 07/02/2017 11:09 AM, Svante Signell wrote: > Hi, > > Seems like max file size is 40k for the mailing list, so the mail to > the list is

Re: [DNG] How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii

2017-07-02 Thread zap
On 07/02/2017 11:09 AM, Svante Signell wrote: > Hi, > > Seems like max file size is 40k for the mailing list, so the mail to > the list is blocked. zap, did the attached files reach your private > mail? Well, I think I received them, unless the ones you sent got shrunk. ;) > On Sun, 2017-07-02

[DNG] Beware the Icedove to Thunderbird transition

2017-07-02 Thread Clark Sideroad
If you have a non-standard setup the Debian scripted install can make a mess and then bring up a text window saying things didn't go as planned. They say things can't get lost "don't worry", but if you are running an ancient, a "Daily" build or non-Debian set-up worry. I'm sure it worked for

Re: [DNG] How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii

2017-07-02 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, Seems like max file size is 40k for the mailing list, so the mail to the list is blocked. zap, did the attached files reach your private mail? On Sun, 2017-07-02 at 16:59 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > On Sat, 2017-07-01 at 19:54 -0400, zap wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi zap, > > > > > > > >

Re: [DNG] Why /command ?

2017-07-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 2 Jul 2017 08:21:01 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 02/07/2017 à 01:37, Steve Litt a écrit : > > Hi all, > > > > I'm writing a document on how to install runit on Devuan, with the > > hope that some day it will lead to a Devuan package that makes > > sense and to the best

Re: [DNG] Error updating ascii today

2017-07-02 Thread Vincent Bentley
I tried again using: sudo apt update Get:1 http://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease [113 kB] Err:1 http://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease Couldn't create temporary file /tmp/apt.conf.r8vXm3 for passing config to apt-key Reading package lists... Done W: GPG error:

Re: [DNG] Error updating ascii today

2017-07-02 Thread Daniel Reurich
Hi Vincent, Can you try using apt instead? On 2 July 2017 10:35:08 AM NZST, Vincent Bentley wrote: >I updated a 32-bit Devuan Jessie system today (Saturday) to Ascii. >After >rebooting I needed to fix a few package dependency problems and I got >the following

Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

2017-07-02 Thread Ron
On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 18:36:40 -0500 Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > fate accompli > > "Fate" > > is very apposite in the circumstance > One misspell and a person's reputation is shot forever! > :-) And me thinking it was purposefully done ;-3) Cheers, Ron. --

Re: [DNG] Error updating ascii today

2017-07-02 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170702-09:18+0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Il giorno Sat, 1 Jul 2017 23:35:08 +0100 > Vincent Bentley ha scritto: > > > I updated a 32-bit Devuan Jessie system today (Saturday) to Ascii. After > > rebooting I needed to fix a few package dependency problems and I

Re: [DNG] Error updating ascii today

2017-07-02 Thread Alessandro Selli
Il giorno Sat, 1 Jul 2017 23:35:08 +0100 Vincent Bentley ha scritto: > I updated a 32-bit Devuan Jessie system today (Saturday) to Ascii. After > rebooting I needed to fix a few package dependency problems and I got > the following message when using aptitude to

Re: [DNG] Why /command ?

2017-07-02 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 02/07/2017 à 01:37, Steve Litt a écrit : Hi all, I'm writing a document on how to install runit on Devuan, with the hope that some day it will lead to a Devuan package that makes sense and to the best degree possible implements the goals of the software's author. Most of it's pretty