Re: [DNG] fvwm

2017-08-22 Thread Joel Roth
I usually fire up fvwm for the rare instances that an app is awkward using tiles under i3. -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] fvwm

2017-08-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:17:37 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > But the question you really wanted to ask is: How do you add fvwm to > the things SLiM offers the user at login? No, that happened automatically once I installed the fvwm package with apt-get. SteveT ___

Re: [DNG] fvwm

2017-08-22 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Hi all, > > Fvwm is a lightweight window manager Fixed it for you. ;-> > I found a couple issues with Devuan Jessie's Display Manager screen For reference, the default X11 Display Manager in Devuan is 'SLiM', as you guessed. https://wiki.archli

[DNG] fvwm

2017-08-22 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Fvwm is a lightweight GOSFUI (Graphical Operating System Facing User Interface (http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/gosfui.htm)) that is extremely configurable and extensible. Not many people use it, but those who do love it. The trouble is, it's very difficult to configure, and configura

Re: [DNG] openbox-themes in ASCII?

2017-08-22 Thread Michael Siegel
Am 21.08.2017 um 21:57 schrieb fsmithred: > On 08/21/2017 08:59 AM, Michael Siegel wrote: >> Am 18.08.2017 um 16:04 schrieb fsmithred: >> >> What exactly do you mean by "some themes don't work"? I use obconf >> for setting the wm theme and gtk-theme-switch2 for setting the GTK >> theme. I just i

[DNG] What does Linus do?

2017-08-22 Thread Dave Turner
There's a lot of heavy discussion going on in 'Proposed change to ascii' and 'an alternative to renaming' But what does Linus do? How does he think this should play out? I am a big fan of 'going with the flow' apart from when it is a really bad idea such as systemd. For the rest, I sold my c

Re: [DNG] opinions and experience with monit

2017-08-22 Thread Aldemir Akpinar
On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 at 18:54, Jaromil wrote: > > dear DNG'ers > > on my quest to study more supervision programs for my own use, I've > found out (just now!) about monit: > > https://mmonit.com/monit/ > > I'm wondering if you have experiences using it and what are your > opinions, it seems to me

Re: [DNG] opinions and experience with monit

2017-08-22 Thread golinux
On 2017-08-22 10:54, Jaromil wrote: dear DNG'ers on my quest to study more supervision programs for my own use, I've found out (just now!) about monit: https://mmonit.com/monit/ I'm wondering if you have experiences using it and what are your opinions, it seems to me that is a well written, m

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming: UUID=MAC

2017-08-22 Thread Narcis Garcia
Didier identified the *exact* same problem as was found for block devices (sda, sdb, etc.) and, if UUID/MAC solution worked for that, it must help for this. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dn

[DNG] opinions and experience with monit

2017-08-22 Thread Jaromil
dear DNG'ers on my quest to study more supervision programs for my own use, I've found out (just now!) about monit: https://mmonit.com/monit/ I'm wondering if you have experiences using it and what are your opinions, it seems to me that is a well written, minimal enough addition to sysvlinux w

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-22 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > In the old days, this was exactly what you always had to do. I had to > manually calculate all the timing numbers from hints privided by the > monitor documentation (usually hidden in the advertising blurb on the box the > monitor came in), havi

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/08/2017 à 15:09, Hendrik Boom a écrit : Note that a similar problem with disks has been solved elegantly by referencing disks by their uuid or label in /etc/fstab. Maybe /etc/network/interface could specify the MAC address as a hook. This would only suppose that the hotplugger creates

[DNG] FWIW fixed :: network down after ASCII upgrades

2017-08-22 Thread Edward Bartolo
I am on ASCII but there were no device renaming; wlan0 is still wlan0. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] new behaviour of /dev

2017-08-22 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > This is the result of enabling devtmpfs when building the > kernel. Devtmpfs was implemented a few years ago and is, in my > opinion, a reaction to the bad behaviour of Udev developers. Plausible. > For the same reason (explicitly), the kernel now loads the

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-22 Thread Rowland Penny
On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 09:09:11 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 03:52:44PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > > Note that a similar problem with disks has been solved > > elegantly by referencing disks by their uuid or label > > in /etc/fstab. Maybe /etc/network/interface could

Re: [DNG] FWIW fixed :: network down after ASCII upgrades

2017-08-22 Thread fsmithred
On 08/21/2017 10:07 PM, Gary Olzeke wrote: > Haven't been on my ascii setup for a week or so. > so I did the 'update & 'upgrade routine > installed these upgrades:: [see below] > > ' > did a reboot and lost my network connection. > ifconfig isn't available anymore (am I getting old?!) > ip was to

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 03:52:44PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Note that a similar problem with disks has been solved elegantly by > referencing disks by their uuid or label in /etc/fstab. Maybe > /etc/network/interface could specify the MAC address as a hook. This would > only suppose that

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 01:08:25AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > Manually creating the configuration -- or even manually triggering its > creation -- is a pretty bad idea. It just guarantees you won't have working > X when you make any change to your hardware -- and sometimes software as > well

[DNG] Doedn't the NIC name issue already have a solution?

2017-08-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:48:53PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > That said in most cases where I have 2 or 3 interfaces it's generally > been firewall/routers or Virtualisation Hosts in which case I always > install ifrename and use an /etc/iftab to give a more purposeful name to > the interfac

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 03:38:50 +0200, Adam wrote in message <20170822013850.ute5cf7ycrlvc...@angband.pl>: > There are cases when the old way had its merit -- but here, we have an > equivalent of a car that needs to be started with a hand-crank. ..you may have missed "Brave New World" by Aldous Hux

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/08/2017 à 09:10, Narcis Garcia a écrit : persistent-net.rules allows 100% definitive names. Definitive but with a possible mess. A new eth1 could be created by the kernel in the same time eth0 is renamed to eth1 by Udev. The race problem pointed by Adam. Didier ___

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/08/2017 à 03:38, Adam Borowski a écrit : Per the other thread, the only thing you need udev/mdev for anymore is setting permissions and calling hooks. Don't tell me that udev is a "big price" on any machine bigger than a microcontroller these days. The price of depending on Udev-Syst

Re: [DNG] new behaviour of /dev

2017-08-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/08/2017 à 01:27, Adam Borowski a écrit : Hi! Do you remember when for decades we had to populate /dev using mknod (using makedev or something) -- both on Linux and on Unices that predated it? Then when udev came to make device creation dynamic. I just installed a new server, not using d-i

Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal

2017-08-22 Thread Narcis Garcia
El 22/08/17 a les 02:48, Alessandro Selli ha escrit: > On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 at 10:32:43 +0200 > Narcis Garcia wrote: > > [...] > >> This logic does not guarantee 100% predictable naming (think about >> removable NICs), but gives enough confort to a sysadmin deals any with >> situation. > > If