Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-16 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > The ignorant peasant regularly claims the words of the savant to be > "obscure geekery". That's me, ignorant peasant and dumb ox. You may have heard the saying: You can always tell a Scandinavian, but you can't tell him much. Anyway, I _

[DNG] Can not upgrade xserver

2018-03-16 Thread Андрей
Приветствую. I can not upgrade xserver from version (i will call it farther "old"), that is in devuan version 1 to the version (i will call it farther "new") that is devuan version 2, having tried on two different machines -- desktop and laptop, nvidia and ati cards. -- Problem lays in permissio

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

2018-03-16 Thread terryc
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 02:02:16 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > In other words, these are now museum pieces, not computers. Use them > with their original software to do what they did so well back in the > day. Drive em around on Sunday afternoon and show them off, but leave > the real computers to comput

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-16 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 16/03/2018 at 00:14, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Nelson H. F. Beebe (be...@math.utah.edu): > >> I must rebut those statements. > > Edge-case obsess, much? ;-> > I'm delighted to have inspired you have disgorged this huge display of > obscure geekery, The ignorant peasant regularly claims th

Re: [DNG] [j...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4139-1] firefox-esr security update]

2018-03-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 06:59:39PM +, leloft wrote: > On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:17:58 + > KatolaZ wrote: > > [...] > >pinpoint any DSA whose patch is *not* > > already available in Devuan > [...] > > Ascii packages not yet replaced with patched versions > leloft, you must have "ascii-sec

Re: [DNG] [j...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4139-1] firefox-esr security update]

2018-03-16 Thread leloft
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:17:58 + KatolaZ wrote: [...] >pinpoint any DSA whose patch is *not* > already available in Devuan [...] Ascii packages not yet replaced with patched versions Tue, 13 Mar 2018 09:49:45 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4135-1] samba security update Need: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u2.

Re: [DNG] [j...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4139-1] firefox-esr security update]

2018-03-16 Thread golinux
On 2018-03-16 04:40, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 06:01:20PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: However, using a simple web search (using Duck Duck Go, if that matters) I cannot seem to easily find anything on a Devuan website that clearly spells this out. Perhaps that is something that

Re: [DNG] PostScript vs PCL

2018-03-16 Thread Bruce Perens
Postscript's imaging model is still the archetype, I look in the Red Book or its descendents whenever I have to code 2-D imaging. They even explain the matrix well. If you want something that *isn't* an interpretive language, real PostScript interpreters also will print directly from PDF. The downs

Re: [DNG] PostScript vs PCL

2018-03-16 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting wirelessd...@gmail.com (wirelessd...@gmail.com): > >> Seeing all the rage against non-PS printing here recently, I’m >> wondering how PCL compares? Is it better/worse/equal to PostScript? Is >> there any reason to prefer one over the other? > > PCL printing is general

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-16 Thread Menelaos Maglis
> By the way, when will anyone point out that  printer-driver-hpcups > might be enough for printing to non-ps HP printers and it doesn't need > d-bus? Being the original poster, I can confirm that CUPS+printer-driver-hpcups worked for the printer in hand via JetDirect, without d-bus. I was tempte

Re: [DNG] Security advisories (was: [j...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4139-1] firefox-esr security update])

2018-03-16 Thread Florian Zieboll
Am 16. März 2018 13:17:58 MEZ schrieb KatolaZ : > On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:07:46PM +, leloft wrote: > > pinpoint any DSA whose patch is *not* > already available in Devuan Not willing to interfere with leloft's new task - just two relevant issues from the past few days which I noticed, as

Re: [DNG] PostScript vs PCL

2018-03-16 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting wirelessd...@gmail.com (wirelessd...@gmail.com): > Seeing all the rage against non-PS printing here recently, I’m > wondering how PCL compares? Is it better/worse/equal to PostScript? Is > there any reason to prefer one over the other? PCL printing is generally faster. In vague outline,

[DNG] PostScript vs PCL

2018-03-16 Thread wirelessduck
Seeing all the rage against non-PS printing here recently, I’m wondering how PCL compares? Is it better/worse/equal to PostScript? Is there any reason to prefer one over the other? —Tom ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.

Re: [DNG] [j...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4139-1] firefox-esr security update]

2018-03-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:07:46PM +, leloft wrote: > On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:08:45 + > KatolaZ wrote: > Or maybe somebody here would like to take care of > > putting together a summary of DSAs once a forthnight or so? That might > > be useful. > > At last! Something I can do! > > lelof

[DNG] DSA Feb1 to Feb14 -Jessie

2018-03-16 Thread leloft
Wed, 31 Jan 2018 21:59:02 -0500 [SECURITY] [DSA 4103-1] chromium-browser security update Sun, 04 Feb 2018 20:42:26 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4104-1] p7zip security update Fri, 9 Feb 2018 11:29:18 +0100 [SECURITY] [DSA 4108-1] mailman security update Sat, 10 Feb 2018 02:35:38 + [SECURITY] [DSA 41

[DNG] DSA Mar2 to Mar15m -Ascii

2018-03-16 Thread leloft
Fri, 2 Mar 2018 07:15:39 +0100 [SECURITY] [DSA 4127-1] simplesamlphp security update Fri, 02 Mar 2018 16:23:54 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4128-1] trafficserver security update Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:42:04 +0100 [SECURITY] [DSA 4129-1] freexl security update Fri, 02 Mar 2018 22:28:08 + [SECURITY] [DSA

[DNG] DSA Feb15 to Feb27 - Ascii

2018-03-16 Thread leloft
Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:04:58 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4114-1] jackson-databind security update Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:25:18 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4115-1] quagga security update Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:46:33 +0100 [SECURITY] [DSA 4116-1] plasma-workspace security update Sat, 17 Feb 2018 13:58:43 + [SECURI

[DNG] DSA Mar2 to Mar15 - Jessie

2018-03-16 Thread leloft
Fri, 2 Mar 2018 07:15:39 +0100 [SECURITY] [DSA 4127-1] simplesamlphp security update Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:42:04 +0100 [SECURITY] [DSA 4129-1] freexl security update Fri, 02 Mar 2018 22:28:08 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4130-1] dovecot security update Sun, 4 Mar 2018 11:00:13 +0100 [SECURITY] [DSA 4132-1

Re: [DNG] [j...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4139-1] firefox-esr security update]

2018-03-16 Thread leloft
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:08:45 + KatolaZ wrote: Or maybe somebody here would like to take care of > putting together a summary of DSAs once a forthnight or so? That might > be useful. At last! Something I can do! leloft ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lis

[DNG] DSA Feb15 to Feb27 -Jessie

2018-03-16 Thread leloft
Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:04:58 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4114-1] jackson-databind security update Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:25:18 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4115-1] quagga security update Sat, 17 Feb 2018 14:36:42 +0100 [SECURITY] [DSA 4117-1] gcc-4.9 security update Sat, 17 Feb 2018 13:58:43 + [SECURITY] [DSA

[DNG] DSA Feb1 to Feb14 - Ascii

2018-03-16 Thread leloft
Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:41:24 +0100 [SECURITY] [DSA 4113-1] libvorbis security update Wed, 31 Jan 2018 21:59:02 -0500 [SECURITY] [DSA 4103-1] chromium-browser security update Sun, 04 Feb 2018 20:42:26 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4104-1] p7zip security update Wed, 07 Feb 2018 02:49:21 + [SECURITY] [DSA

Re: [DNG] [j...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4139-1] firefox-esr security update]

2018-03-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 15.03.18 22:08, KatolaZ wrote: > FYI > > As many of us, I keep receiving DSAs. And as usual, we should be > covered on these ones. If you think it might be useful, I might > forward DSAs here. Or maybe somebody here would like to take care of > putting together a summary of DSAs once a forthnig

[DNG] Postscript gymnastics [Was: Re: [OT] Re: printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 16.03.18 08:40, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 06:41:50PM -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > > In PostScript, I don't readily find any built-in operators that could > > give a result that differs on every run, so you probably have to > > [cut] > > Yes, that's the problem. And that, A

Re: [DNG] [j...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4139-1] firefox-esr security update]

2018-03-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 06:01:20PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > Hi KatolaZ, > > KatolaZ writes: > > > As many of us, I keep receiving DSAs. And as usual, we should be > > covered on these ones. If you think it might be useful, I might > > forward DSAs here. Or maybe somebody here would like to

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-16 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen
Hi Didier, Didier Kryn writes: > Le 16/03/2018 à 09:19, Olaf Meeuwissen a écrit: >>> This is getting off the topic in the subject line, [...] >> Indeed;-) >> >>> In PostScript, I don't readily find any built-in operators that could >>> give a result that differs on every run, so you probably have

Re: [DNG] [j...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4139-1] firefox-esr security update]

2018-03-16 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen
Hi KatolaZ, KatolaZ writes: > As many of us, I keep receiving DSAs. And as usual, we should be > covered on these ones. If you think it might be useful, I might > forward DSAs here. Or maybe somebody here would like to take care of > putting together a summary of DSAs once a forthnight or so? Tha

[DNG] [OT] Re: printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 06:41:50PM -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: [cut] > > In PostScript, I don't readily find any built-in operators that could > give a result that differs on every run, so you probably have to [cut] Yes, that's the problem. And that, AFAIK, you don't have a way to read an

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-16 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen
Hi, Joel Roth writes: > Cups was sponsored by Apple, [...] Correction, Apple bought CUPS in February 2007 after they adopted it for inclusion in MacOS X in March 2002[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS#History Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Membe

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-16 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 16/03/2018 à 09:19, Olaf Meeuwissen a écrit : This is getting off the topic in the subject line, [...] Indeed;-) In PostScript, I don't readily find any built-in operators that could give a result that differs on every run, so you probably have to inject suitable arguments for srand from ou

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

2018-03-16 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen
Hi, Nelson H. F. Beebe writes: > KatolaZ writes on Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:19:42 +: > >>> my biggest frustration was not being able of finding a way to >>> implement a 2D random walk in postscript that would show a different >>> trajectory every time you open it :D (the only problem there is the