Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-20 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Clarke Sideroad via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > I think the purpose was to avoid tainting the initial installation > with proprietary firmware, but not have the lack of it it ruin the > party. Proprietary firmware files divide broadly into two categories: 1. Copyright owner granted suffi

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-20 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Ubuntu installs as easily as Windows' first boot nonsense. Devuan isn't > far behind, on most hardware. Interesting point about that, which I'll get to, near the end. > What Eric objected to, and I agreed, was lack of proper handling of > proprie

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-20 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:29:29AM +, Simon Hobson wrote: > In part, Linux adoption is held back by it's perceived difficulty - such > as having to go and find drivers for your hardware. Well, about that... Not so long ago I helped a relative by installing Redmontware. It was a long, arduous

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-20 Thread Clarke Sideroad via Dng
On 2018-12-20 6:00 p.m., Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 14:07:11 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): In part, Linux adoption is held back by its perceived difficulty Just a brief comment about this in passing, as this is an antique debate point a

Re: [DNG] Installing without rebooting

2018-12-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 20/12/2018 à 23:50, Steve Litt a écrit : Didier Kryn wrote:     What's the purpose of kexec ? I see one main: using a Linux session as the bootloader, a bootloader more heavily customizable than Grub. Additionally it saves a few seconds. Are there any other ?         Didier Wow. Ar

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 14:07:11 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > > > In part, Linux adoption is held back by its perceived > > difficulty > > Just a brief comment about this in passing, as this is an antique > debate point ages ago stomped into the gr

Re: [DNG] Installing without rebooting

2018-12-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 15:38:01 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: >     What's the purpose of kexec ? I see one main: using a Linux > session as the bootloader, a bootloader more heavily customizable > than Grub. Additionally it saves a few seconds. Are there any other ? > >         Didier Wow. Are you

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-20 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: >> In part, Linux adoption is held back by its perceived difficulty > > Just a brief comment about this in passing, as this is an antique debate > point ages ago stomped into the ground on comp.os.*.advocacy and other > places: An operating system one must install (not pre

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-20 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > In part, Linux adoption is held back by its perceived difficulty Just a brief comment about this in passing, as this is an antique debate point ages ago stomped into the ground on comp.os.*.advocacy and other places: An operating system one mus

Re: [DNG] Trouble with .onion addresses?

2018-12-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 09:09:27 -0600, lpb+dev...@kandl.houston.tx.us wrote in message <7cc26988-7303-e0c5-99f4-88c7fa678...@kandl.houston.tx.us>: > On 12/20/18 8:40 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 09:35:45 -0600, lpb+dev...@kandl.houston.tx.us > > wrote in message > > : > > > >> I

Re: [DNG] Installing without rebooting

2018-12-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 20/12/2018 à 16:22, Adam Borowski a écrit : On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 03:38:01PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:     What's the purpose of kexec ? I see one main: using a Linux session as the bootloader, a bootloader more heavily customizable than Grub. Additionally it saves a few seconds. Are ther

Re: [DNG] Installing without rebooting

2018-12-20 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 03:38:01PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 20/12/2018 à 15:32, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : > > On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 00:59:35 +1100, Ralph wrote in message > > : > > > > > There is this notion of "kexec boot"; I've never tried it, but it's > > > documentation claims "kexec is a s

Re: [DNG] Trouble with .onion addresses?

2018-12-20 Thread lpb+devuan
On 12/20/18 8:40 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 09:35:45 -0600, lpb+dev...@kandl.houston.tx.us > wrote in message > : > >> I'm all of a sudden having trouble using the .onion addresses. They've >> worked fine for me for months. I'm getting "could not connect to >> devuanfwojg73k6r

Re: [DNG] Trouble with .onion addresses?

2018-12-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 09:35:45 -0600, lpb+dev...@kandl.houston.tx.us wrote in message : > I'm all of a sudden having trouble using the .onion addresses. They've > worked fine for me for months. I'm getting "could not connect to > devuanfwojg73k6r.onion (0.0.0.0:0) due to: Host unreachable (6)" > >

Re: [DNG] Installing without rebooting

2018-12-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 20/12/2018 à 15:32, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 00:59:35 +1100, Ralph wrote in message : There is this notion of "kexec boot"; I've never tried it, but it's documentation claims "kexec is a system call that enables you to load and boot into another kernel from the currently

Re: [DNG] Installing without rebooting

2018-12-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 00:59:35 +1100, Ralph wrote in message : > There is this notion of "kexec boot"; I've never tried it, but it's > documentation claims "kexec is a system call that enables you to > load and boot into another kernel from the currently running kernel." > > Maybe it comes with

Re: [DNG] ifstat.eth0 on Boot [SOLVED]

2018-12-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 20/12/2018 à 15:26, Didier Kryn a écrit : Le 19/12/2018 à 19:02, Pontus Goffe a écrit : On 2018-12-19 18:23, Didier Kryn wrote:     Seems it can only work for one user because now it doesn't work for me any more (~: I got your patch to work nicely but only if I did not use "auto ethx"

Re: [DNG] ifstat.eth0 on Boot [SOLVED]

2018-12-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 19/12/2018 à 19:02, Pontus Goffe a écrit : On 2018-12-19 18:23, Didier Kryn wrote:     Seems it can only work for one user because now it doesn't work for me any more (~: I got your patch to work nicely but only if I did not use "auto ethx" in /etc/network/interfaces. I use only "allow

Re: [DNG] Drive-by critique

2018-12-20 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: >> I agree. The more GNU/Linux blows off prospective users by making them >> jump through hoops, the more Linux becomes a niche. The nichier Linux >> becomes, the more the hardware manufacturers ignore it. Let GNU/Linux >> get up to 25% on the desktop, and the manufacturers will